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- Frequently Asked Questions about Sports Betting
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- This is the Sports Betting section of the rec.gambling Frequently Asked
- Questions (FAQ) list.
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- Most of the information in the FAQ was taken from the Art Manteris book
- "Superbookie". Published by Contemporary Books Inc. Copyright 1991.
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- Changes or additions to this section of the FAQ should be submitted to:
- weinstock@conjelco.com.
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- Page last modified: 2-5-95
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- Table of Contents
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- Section S: Sports Betting
- S1 Where can I bet legally on Sports?
- S2 What sports can I bet on?
- S3 What is "the spread"?
- S4 Why do I have to bet $11 to win $10?
- S5 What are all of the different types of bets?
- S6 Can I make a million dollars with one bet?
- S7 Who makes the odds?
- S8 Do I have to be over 21 to bet on sports?
- S9 What is the minimum bet that must be reported to the IRS?
- S10 Are there any good books or articles on sports gambling topics?
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- Q:S1 Where can I bet legally on Sports?
- A:S1
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- You can bet leaglly on Sports in the United States only at a licensed
- Nevada Sports Book and in the Oregon State Lottery. If you try hard enough
- you can probably find an illegal bookie in your home town, but frequently
- their odds are worse than those can get in Nevada. In most cases, you are
- not allowed to phone in wagers to a Nevada Sports Book across state lines,
- but there are exceptions. (What they are, I'm not sure. Anyone else know?)
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- Q:S2 What sports can I bet on?
- A:S2
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- You can bet on any sport the Sports Book you are wagering with covers. At
- most books, this includes professional and college football and basketball,
- professional baseball, professional hockey, and horse and dog racing. Every
- now and then Sports Books will offer proposition bets (see below) on events
- like professional golf tournaments and the Indy 500 and the like, but not
- on a regular basis for other events in those sports.
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- Q:S3 What is "the spread"?
- A:S3
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- The spread is a point advantage given to a weaker team that is expected to
- lose by X number of points. This is the odds makers way of making even bets
- possible for a Sports Book. Usually if you bet against the spread you make
- an 11-10 bet. This means that you win $10 if you bet $11 for a total of $21
- if your team covers the spread.
-
- A team covers the spread if it wins the game with the score modified by the
- spread. If Dallas and Washington are playing and the spread is (Dallas -7),
- then Dallas has to win by at least 8 points to cover. Half-point spreads
- are also possible.
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- Q:S4 Why do I have to bet $11 to win $10?
- A:S4
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- This is one of the many ways the Sports book makes it's money. In an ideal
- situation, the same amount of money will be bet on both sides of the line
- and the Sports Book will take it's 10% from the losing side. If $55000
- ($50000 and an addition $5000 to make the bets) was bet on Washington and
- $55000 bet on Dallas, no matter who wins the game the SB will make $5000.
- In case of a tie, all money is refunded. This is a rather simplified
- version as the spread moves when one side becomes more heavily bet on.
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- Q:S5 What are all of the different types of bets?
- A:S5
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- Proposition bet
-
- A prop bet is a bet the SB offers at odds and conditions of it's choosing.
- Prop bets can be exotic bets like which team will score the most
- touchdowns, which team will shoot the most three pointers, which running
- back will rush for the most yards, etc. Most prop bets are offered at 11-10
- odds, but some of the exotics will be offered at better or worse odds,
- depending on the bet.
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- Money Line Bets
-
- A money line bet is a bet on the straight up total of an event or the odds
- for a straight up prop bet. There are two totals given for either side on a
- money line bet. A negative and a plus side.
-
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- Dallas -170
- Washington +150
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- What this means is that for every $17 you bet on Dallas, you win $10 if
- they win. For every $10 you bet on Washington, you win $15 if they win.
- This is the way SB's make money off games by not giving points.
-
- Spread Bets
-
- These are the standard bets to make. Basically a proposition bet at 11-10
- odds where the conditions are you give or take points on the team you are
- betting on hoping that the modified total of your teams score beats the
- other teams straight score. Bets on the spread are often know as straight
- bets because they pay even money (minus the 10% vig).
-
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- Tampa Bay +19 1/2
- Miami -19 1/2
-
- This means that if you bet on Miami, Miami needs to score at least 20 more
- points than Tampa to cover. If you bet on Tampa, the score must be at least
- within 19 for you to win. The bottom team is almost always the home team.
-
- Over/Under Bets
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- These are also 11-10 bets on what the total of the game will be. If the
- total posted on a game is 39 1/2 points, then you can wager that the total
- score of both teams added together will be either over or under the posted
- total. Betting the over is known as "betting on the ball", betting under is
- known as "betting on the clock".
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- Chicago -5 1/2 +130 1:00 pm
- Atlanta +5 1/2 -150 42 1/2
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- This gives the money line, the point spread, and the total for the game. It
- also tells you that Atlanta is the home team, and the game starts at 1:00
- pm. As far as I know, this is the standard posting at mosts Books.
-
- Parlays
-
- A parlay bet is betting on the outcome of two or more events, and getting
- higher odds than betting on the outcome of both events. The drawback is
- that the odds aren't right and that you must win all of the events to win
- the parlay.
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- # of plays Standard Odds True Odds
- ---------- ------------- ---------
- 2 plays 13-5 3-1
- 3 plays 6-1 7-1
- 4 plays 10-1 15-1
- 5 plays 20-1 31-1
- 6 plays 40-1 63-1
- 7 plays 80-1 127-1
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- The more events parlayed the worse the odds shift in the casinos advantage.
- The advantage for the player for parlays lies in the fact that he can bet
- more on the same game (spread and over/under) and he can bet more on two
- teams who are playing at the same time.
-
- In order to be competitive, some casinos offer ties-win parlay cards. This
- greatly helps the player. The Las Vegas Hilton SB is one of these.
-
- Teasers
-
- A teaser bet is a bet where you can move the spread by a set amount, but
- have to pay to do it. You must bet at least two teams like a parlay and win
- both. You can move the spread by on all the games by the set amount.
-
- Football Teasers
-
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- # of teams 6 pts 6 1/2 pts 7 pts
- ---------- ----- --------- -----
- 2 teams 11-10 5-6 5-7
- 3 teams 8-5 3-2 6-5
- 4 teams 5-2 2-1 9-5
- 5 teams 4-1 7-2 3-1
- 6 teams 6-1 5-1 4-1
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- Basketball Teasers
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- # of teams 4 pts 4 1/2 pts 5 pts
- ---------- ----- --------- -----
- 2 teams 11-10 5-6 5-7
- 3 teams 8-5 3-2 6-5
- 4 teams 5-2 2-1 9-5
- 5 teams 4-1 7-2 3-1
- 6 teams 6-1 5-1 9-2
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- Buying a half point
-
- You can shift the spread a half point in your favor by laying 6-5 odds
- instead of the standard 11-10. This is called buying a half point. You
- usaully want to stay away from this bet except on three point spreads on
- football games. This is also know as "buying the hook".
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- Q:S6 Can I make a million dollars with one bet?
- A:S6
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- Sure. Either bet $550,000 straight up, or go to Little Ceaser's which
- offers a $2,000,000 payoff on a $5 parlay card if you can pick 20 out of
- 20.
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- Q:S7 Who makes the odds?
- A:S7 (Philip Galanter)
-
- Las Vegas Sports Consultants Inc., establishes the odds for about 75% of
- the licensed Sports Books in Nevada, as well as for the Oregon State
- Lottery. It is run by Michael 'Roxy' Roxborough. He also operates as a
- consultant on gaming stratigies, management, marketing, and personnel. Most
- illegeal books in and out of Nevada draw their odds from what is posted at
- the various casinos. Transmitting gambling information across state lines
- for the purpose of placing or taking bets is illegal. News items about
- point spreads and the like can be reported for informational and
- entertainment purposes only.
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- Q:S8 Do I have to be over 21 to bet on sports?
- A:S8
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- Yes.
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- Q:S9 What is the minimum bet that must be reported to the IRS?
- A:S9
-
- Well all gambling wins and losses are supposed to be reported to the IRS at
- the end of the year, but if you bet more than $10,000 at once, you must
- fill out some IRS paperwork at the ticket counter. All money won must be
- reported to the IRS.
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- Q:S10 Are there any good books or articles on sports gambling topics?
- A:S9 (Philip Galanter)
-
- Here are some sports gambling related books I've found to be useful, in
- suggested reading order for beginners. The obscure ones I've purchased from
- the Gamblers Book Club, although I don't know if they are still in print. I
- tend to like writers that are objective and more interested in your winning
- than being a fan.
-
- Orkin, Mike. "Can You Win?", W.H.Freeman and Co., 1991. IBSN 0-7167-2155-4
- (soft)
-
- Presents a general overview of gambling presenting the real odds
- of various games. It only assumes a high school level of
- mathematics understanding. The 32 page section on sports betting
- doubles as a guide to the various betting options available, and
- there is also a 16 page section on horserace betting. A brief
- treatment on Kelly betting as applied to sports gambling is
- included.
-
- An overview concentrating on the question posed by the title, the
- author concludes the sports section with the observation:
-
- "If you're going to gamble, which games should you play? I
- recommend sports betting. There are two reasons for this: 1 -
- Unlike in roulette, craps, and keno, it's impossible to prove
- that you can't win in the long run. 2 - When you win, it's
- because you're smart, and when you lose, it's because somebody
- fumbled."
-
- Sugar, Bert Randolph. "The Caesars Palace Sports Book of Betting", St.
- Martin's Press, 1992. IBSN 0-312-05058-5 (paper)
-
- The author is a well known sports writer and Las Vegas insider. A
- good popular introduction to sports betting with equal amounts of
- information on betting terms, options, odds, and the like,
- various considerations for each major sport; advice on
- handicapping based on matchups, streaks, injuries and stat.s;
- history and color; and money management.
-
- Manteris, Art, (with Rick Talley). "SuperBookie - Inside Las Vegas Sports
- Gambling", Contemporary Books, 1991. IBSN 0-8092-4430-6 (cloth)
- 0-8092-3845-4 (paper)
-
- A good second book to read, after perhaps the Sugar or Orkin
- books as an introduction, Manteris shares his observations as the
- Director of the Hilton Race and Sports Organization...aka the
- SuperBook. Interesting stories about the early days, why the
- house doesn't always win, how point spreads are set and moved as
- a practical matter, how the house calculates its take, scams, mob
- involvement (now mostly not) and more.
-
- Peter Asch and Richard E. Quandt. "Racetrack Betting - The Professors'
- Guide to Strategies", Praeger Publishers, 1986. IBSN 0-275-94103-5 (paper)
-
- Written by 2 academics from Rutgers and Princeton, this book
- seems to be a trustworthy analysis of betting at the horseraces.
- Included is an overview and analysis of popular strategies,
- subjective and objective analysis of available information and
- statistics, utility functions as applied to the public and
- wagering behavior (important given the paramutual basis of the
- odds), and the bottom line on some complex systems by the
- authors, Ziemba, and Quandt which seem to actually work.
-
- Bob Carrol, Pete Palmer, and John Thorn. "The Hidden Game of Football",
- Warner Books, 1988. IBSN 0-446-39091-7 (paper)
-
- While addressing sports betting only in passing, this book
- concentrates on innovative methods for detailed sports statistics
- analysis leading to accurate predictions. "Scientific"
- handicappers will find this book very stimulating.
-
- Miller, Colonel J.R. "How Professional Gamblers Beat the Pro Football
- Pointspread - a step by step textbook guide", Flying M Group, 1993. IBSN
- 0-9636500-0-9 (spiral bound)
-
- This is a self published specialty book available from Gamblers
- Book Club or by mail order. While the quality of most spiral
- bound gambling editions are suspect, this book is reasonably
- good. It provides a detailed analysis of how a serious gambler
- factors in pointspreads, power ratings, injuries, motivations,
- weather, and statistics to win over the long haul. The section on
- money management should be taken with a grain of salt, as it
- proposes flat betting as almost optimal, a modified plateau
- system as even better, and the "Kelly system" as a formula for
- disaster, in a rather unqualified way.
-
- Michael Roxborough and Mike Rhoden. "Race and Sports Book Management - a
- guide for the legal bookmaker", (publisher not noted) 1991. IBSN
- 0-31-53873-6 (spiral bound)
-
- Written by "Roxy" Roxborough, the provider of the spread and
- other services to most major sports books in Nevada via his Las
- Vegas Sports Consultants Inc. This book covers in moderate detail
- the mechanics of running a legal sports book, including setting
- and moving the spread, various economic measures such as the
- handle and practical hold percentage, overlays, parlays, limits,
- the law and regulations.
-
- Pascual, M. "Bankroll Control - the mathematics of money management",
- (publisher not noted) 1987. No IBSN noted.
-
- While poorly published (xeroxed, white-out corrections, hand
- written corrections and page numbers) this odd and perhaps
- difficult to find spiral book is a treasure trove of practical
- analysis applying Kelly betting to sports and racing gambling.
- Theory is light and presented with (hand drawn) graphs where
- possible. The book presents a numerical recipe approach to even
- complicated betting scenarios such as simultaneous games,
- simultaneous single and multiple parlay plays, win-show-place
- betting, and more. Also included are some useful tables
- (variables include % of wins, number of teams, variations to
- include parlays or not) showing optimal bets, risk and
- expectancy. Also included are some program listings in BASIC for
- (now mostly obsolete) hand calculaters that may be useful as
- pseudocode.
-
- The cosmetics do not, however, inspire trust. It would be nice if
- a r.g math ween would review it.
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