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- Welcome to Rec.Gambling!
-
- This is the Welcome section of the rec.gambling Frequently Asked Questions
- (FAQ) list.
-
- Changes or additions to this section of the FAQ should be submitted to:
- jacobs@xmission.com.
-
- Page last modified: 2-1-95
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- Table of Contents
-
- Section W: Welcome to Rec.Gambling!
- W1 What is Rec.Gambling?
- W2 What guidelines are there for posting to rec.gambling?
-
- Section I: Information Sources
- I1 Where can I find the latest FAQ list?
- I2 What gambling information is available on the World Wide Web?
- I3 Where is the gambling archive?
- I4 Where can I get books about gambling?
- I5 Where can I get discounts on gambling books/software?
- I6 What other sources of gambling information are available?
-
- Section H: History of Rec.Gambling
- H1 A brief history of rec.gambling.
- H2 What is WRGPT?
- H3 What is BARGE?
- H4 What is IRC Poker?
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- Section W: Welcome to Rec.Gambling!
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- Q:W1 What is Rec.Gambling?
- A:W1 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- This newsgroup is devoted to discussion of all forms of gambling and wagering,
- and the gaming industry. If you are new to rec.gambling, or you have not read
- this message previously, please take a few moments to read this message, since
- it may help you to find many different sources of information on gambling.
-
- The purposes of this message are:
-
- To provide guidelines for posting to rec.gambling.
-
- To help you find the latest versions of the rec.gambling Frequently Asked
- Questions (FAQ) lists, which should be read before posting questions to
- rec.gambling.
-
- To help you find other sources of information about gambling, such as the
- rec.gambling archive and the World Wide Web home page for rec.gambling.
-
- To provide some of the history of rec.gambling, and the various events
- associated with the newsgroup, including:
-
- This part of the rec.gambling FAQ also provides some of the history of
- rec.gambling and the various events accociated with the newsgroup, including:
-
- WRGPT (World Rec.Gambling Poker Tournament)
- BARGE (Big Annual Rec.Gambling Excursion)
- IRC Poker (online poker games against live opponents)
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- Q:W2 What guidelines are there for posting to rec.gambling?
- A:W2 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- If you have not already done so, we would strongly urge all readers of
- rec.gambling (especially those who are new to USENET) to review the material in
- the group news.announce.newusers. Although this group is primarily intended for
- new users, it would be a good idea for anyone who posts messages to USENET
- newsgroups to review this material periodically. Guidelines which generally
- apply to USENET newsgroups will also apply to rec.gambling.
-
- Use appropriate subject lines in order to target your message to those who are
- most interested. Whenever practical, try to include one of the following
- keywords (or something similar) in the "Subject:" line in order to make it
- easier for readers who are only interested in one or two topics:
-
-
- POKER BLACKJACK VIDEO POKER CRAPS ROULETTE
- SLOTS LOTTERY RACES PONIES DRIVEL
-
- A few points of netiquette to keep in mind before posting to rec.gambling:
-
- Appropriate topics for this group: Gambling and wagering in all forms.
- Although the group tends to focus heavily on games which permit the player
- to gain an advantage over the house, many games which are "unbeatable" are
- discussed here as well. Trip reports from recent visits to casinos are
- also welcome, and enjoyed by many readers (especially those who are unable
- to get to the casinos as often as they might like). Discussions often
- include some heavy mathematical analysis as it relates to gambling
- (especially combinatorics, probability/statistics, and game theory), and
- results of computer analysis and/or simulation of specific games.
-
- Try to stay on topic as much as possible. If the discussion strays to
- non-gambling topics, please consider moving the topic to a more
- appropriate forum or to email. An occasional stray discussion is OK, just
- don't get carried away.
-
- Before posting, check the FAQ to see if your question is already answered
- there. If you are unwilling (or too lazy) to check the FAQ first, then
- don't be surprised if the only answer you receive is "see the FAQ".
-
- It is a good idea to read the entire FAQ at least once (even if you don't
- have specific questions), and to "lurk" for a while before posting to the
- group. If you are just stopping by to sell something, don't bother --
- we've seen the "MAKE MONEY FAST" post and other scams before, and we don't
- appreciate them. We're primarily here for discussion of gambling topics,
- so if you won't be around to hold up your end of the discussion, then it
- is very unlikely that your post is appropriate for this group. Messages of
- the form "gambling is evil/stupid/unhealthy" are completely unwelcome
- here.
-
- If there is any question about the legality of your message, then you
- probably shouldn't post it. Although it is perfectly OK to talk about
- gambling here, we cannot actually _gamble_ here, and we cannot post
- messages which could be construed as assisting someone to perform wagering
- services of any kind.
-
- Before posting, consider whether your post will be of general interest to
- the group. If your message is primarily targeted to one or two
- individuals, then use email instead.
-
- Advertisements are generally not welcome in USENET newsgroups, and
- rec.gambling is no exception. If you have something to sell, please use
- the appropriate .forsale newsgroup instead. However, some leeway may be
- permitted for software and books that are gambling related, especially if
- special discounts are offered to the rec.gambling community. Long ads are
- simply not appropriate. Frequent posting of ads is also not appropriate --
- once a month is often enough.
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- Section I: Information Sources
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- Q:I1 Where can I find the latest FAQ lists.
- A:I1 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- The FAQ files are posted in rec.gambling regularly, usually once every three
- weeks. This welcome message is actually part of the FAQ for rec.gambling, but
- the welcome message is posted once each week in order to provide a convenient
- starting point for new readers, and to avoid posts by people who are looking
- for the FAQ.
-
- The multiple posted (ASCII) parts of the FAQ are archived at rtfm.mit.edu
- (18.181.0.24) in the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq. The files
- are: welcome, general, casinos, blackjack, poker, craps, sports, and misc. To
- obtain the files, first try ftp to rtfm.mit.edu and look under that directory.
- If ftp does not work from your site, then try the mail server:
-
- send email to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with
-
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/welcome
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/general
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/casinos
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/blackjack
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/poker
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/craps
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/sports
- send usenet/news.answers/gambling-faq/misc
-
- in the body of the message (leave the subject line empty). If you don't want
- all of them, include only the lines of the ones you want. You must repeat the
- path information for each file.
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- Q:I2 What gambling information is available on the World Wide Web?
- A:I2 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- Chuck Weinstock has created HTML versions of all sections of the rec.gambling
- FAQ, and made them available at ConJelCo. The latest versions of these FAQ
- lists may be obtained via the World Wide Web at:
-
- Reg.gambling FAQ http://www.conjelco.com/faq/
-
- The following sites may also be of interest to gamblers:
-
- ConJelCo Home Page http://www.conjelco.com/
- Las Vegas Advisor http://www.infi.net/vegas/lva/
- Maryland Casinos http://www.jaeger.com/~erich/marygamb.html
- Virtual Las Vegas http://www.infi.net/vegas/vlv/
- Vegas.com Home Page http://www.vegas.com/
- Reno Hilton http://www.sierra.net/Hilton/Reno/
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- Q:I3 Where is the gambling archive?
- A:I3 (Michael Hall)
-
- The gambling archive is intended to store stuff *useful* to rec.gamblers, like
- the FAQ lists, blackjack card-counting information, poker statistics, etc. It
- is not intended at this time to store all the daily drivel of rec.gambling.
-
- The archive is accessible via anonymous ftp to ftp.csua.berkeley.edu
- (128.32.43.51). (Type "ftp ftp.csua.berkeley.edu" or "ftp 128.32.43.51" and
- then "anonymous" when it asks for the name, followed by your email address when
- it asks for the password. Then "cd pub/rec.gambling".)
-
- If you have some things you would like to contribute to the archive, contact
- ctl@csua.berkeley.edu.
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- Q:I4 Where can I get books about gambling?
- A:I4 (Steve Jacobs, Mike Northam)
-
- Gambler's Book Club has a vast selection of books on topics related to
- gambling. They are located at 630 South 11th Street in Las Vegas.
-
- Gambler's Book Club
- Box 4115
- Las Vegas, NV 89127
- (702) 382-7555
- (702) 382-7594 (FAX)
- (800) 634-6243 (orders only)
-
- Gamblers Bookstore
- 99 N. Virginia St.
- Reno, NV 89501
- (800) 748-5797
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- Q:I5 Where can I get discounts on gambling books/software?
- A:I5 (Chuck Weinstock)
-
- One of our rec.gamblers (Chuck Weinstock) has established relationships with
- publishers of gambling books, newsletters, videos, and software and offers
- their products at a discount to rec.gamblers. Orders must be placed through
- Chuck Weinstock (weinstock@conjelco.com). Contact him for a list of what is
- available, and ordering information, or look for the ConJelCo Home Page at
- http://www.conjelco.com on the World Wide Web.
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- Q:I6 What other sources of gambling information are available?
- A:I6 (Martin Veneroso, John Murphy, Steve Jacobs)
-
- Horse Racing
-
- There is a mailing list for discussion of horse racing and handicapping.
- If you are interested in joining us, send a note to
- derby-request@inslab.uky.edu and be sure to include an Internet email
- address (i.e., a "@" address.).
-
- Bay Area Poker List
-
- The ba-poker mailing list is just a bunch of folks, mostly located in the
- San Francisco Bay Area, who like to read about poker as it is played in
- the Bay Area, and a few who like to write about it. We discuss both home
- and commercial (card room) poker, including who's doing what where, a
- smidgen of strategy, a few tall tales, and very little flaming (although a
- couple of battles have broken out in the past).
-
- A fair estimate of the traffic probably would be ten or twenty messages a
- week, but they tend to be clumped around someone raising an issue. The
- list as gone a couple of weeks without distributing any messages, although
- that is becoming more rare as the number of subscribers climbs slowly --
- we have about 150 now.
-
- To subscribe, send a message to ba-poker-request@netcom.com,, with a
- message body of:
-
- SUBSCRIBE ba-poker-list
-
- -- you can send any kind of request to the same address, and if the server
- doesn't understand it the message gets sent on to the list owner,
- slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso).
-
- Colorado Gaming Mailing List
-
- Send email to ccbh-request@hpesjlm.fc.hp.com to join a mailing list for
- gaming in Colorado.
-
- Hotels
-
- Questions about hotels and restaurants are often posted to rec.gambling.
- Similar information about Las Vegas can be found in the newsgroup
- alt.vacation.las-vegas
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- Section H: History of Rec.Gambling
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- Q:H1 A brief history of rec.gambling.
- A:H1 (Matt Wilding, Steve Jacobs)
-
- How did rec.gambling get started?
-
- alt.gambling began in August, 1989. It had plenty of traffic, so a
- newsgroup election for rec.gambling was held. rec.gambling passed
- 189-41. The election results were announced on September 23, 1989,
- and the group created one week later.
-
- During the early years (roughly 1990 and 1991), blackjack and craps were
- probably the most popular topics on rec.gambling. This was before there was a
- FAQ, and much of the focus was on card counting and computer simulations of
- blackjack games. Flame wars between blackjack players and craps players were
- popular. There was virtually no discussion of poker during this time. The first
- BARGE took place in Aug. 1991 (before it was ever called BARGE), and the
- Presto!/Irwin legend emerged at that time. The Frank Irwin Memorial Commode
- Ceremony also came from this BARGE trip. There were perhaps a dozen
- rec.gamblers at the first BARGE. The first rec.gambling FAQ was created late in
- 1991.
-
- The first WRGPT was launched in early 1992, with Will Hyde acting as dealer.
- Poker discussions gained in popularity, partly as a result of this tournament.
- Traffic on rec.gambling probably averaged about 10 to 20 posts per day during
- this time.
-
- [This section could use a lot of work -- any volunteers?]
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- Q:H2 What is WRGPT?
- A:H2 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- WRGPT stands for "World Rec.Gambling Poker Tournament". This is an annual poker
- tournament played by email. The tournament usually begins in the fall, and
- usually lasts many months, to the complete aggravation of some of the players.
-
- WRGPT1 started early in 1992 with 30 players. WRGPT1 was dealt by hand, with
- Will Hyde devoting much of his time to the task. Steve Jacobs won the
- tournament by eliminating Ken Butler and Bharat Rao on the last hand with K-T
- offsuit.
-
- WRGPT2 attracted about 130 players, and began in the fall of 1992. This
- tournament, and those that followed, were dealt by Ron Duursma's excellent
- email poker server. Ed Baker took first place in this event, coming from behind
- to eliminate Jeff Jennings. Roy Hashimoto was 3rd.
-
- WRGPT3 attracted about 200 players, and began in the fall of 1993. Roy
- Hashimoto won this event, becoming the second rec.gambler to win both WRGPT and
- BARGE titles. [Who took 2nd and 3rd?]
-
- WRGPT4 attracted 376 players, and is currently in progress (Jan. 1995).
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- Q:H3 What is BARGE?
- A:H3 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- [This is pretty rough folks, anyone with fond BARGE memories? If so, please
- send them in for inclusion in the r.g history FAQ. My apologies if I've left
- out important details, or gotten some fact fixed up here.]
-
- BARGE stands for "Big August Rec.Gambling Excursion". This is the annual
- rec.gambling gathering, so far always in August (can you imagine a worse time
- to go to Vegas?), but if we go some other month we can change the "August" to
- "Annual" in order to preserve the acronym.
-
- The first BARGE consisted of maybe a dozen people, mostly in Vegas to attend
- SIGGRAPH '91 (well, at least that's how they got their companies to pay the
- airfare). We met at the Frontier for breakfast, and at Gambler's Book Club to
- check out the latest periodicals. Several rec.gamblers pitched in to purchase a
- book to help launch Michael Hall's blackjack career.
-
- BARGE 2 had more attendees, about 20 in all, and included meetings at the
- Frontier, GBC, and a live poker tournament held in a hotel room. The main
- gathering took place at the Frontier coffee shop, where about a dozen
- rec.gamblers met for a midnight meal (thanks, Edmund). In keeping with
- rec.gambling tradition, Steve Jacobs won the first live BARGE poker tournament,
- becoming the first rec.gambler to win both an WRGPT event and a BARGE event.
-
- BARGE 3 had about 30 attendees, of which about 20 participated in the live
- poker tournament held at the Rio. Special chips were created to commemorate
- BARGE 3, and were sold through rec.gambling to raise a prize fund (including a
- set of 300 chips as a trophy) for the winner of the tournament. Roy Hashimoto,
- who flew to Vegas especially for the tournament, took first place. Each
- attendee at BARGE 3 received a special limited edition purple BARGE chip, which
- have becoming highly prized collectors items.
-
- BARGE 4 had about 90 attendees, of which 60 paid entry fees in advance for the
- live poker tournament at the Luxor. A calcutta was held the night before to
- auction off players from the poker tournament. Roy Hashimoto designed some
- fabulous poker chips for the BARGE 4 trophy, which went to Dave Hughes. Cash
- prizes were paid for 1st through 6th place, with teddy bears going to Jeff
- Jennings for placing 7th and to (who? I forgot! Let me know so we can embarrass
- him...) for being the first player to bust out of the tournament. This year a
- live blackjack tournament was added to the agenda, attracting about 30 players
- and many spectators to a high roller suite somewhere on the world famous Las
- Vegas Strip. [Who won the BJ tournament? Who bought Dave Hughes to win the
- Calcutta?] An informal gathering for pot-limit Texas Hold'em was held later at
- the Luxor, and a bachelor party was held for Steve "Bozo" Blackstock at a
- location which might cause him undo grief if it were revealed here.
-
- The early BARGE trips were mostly spontaneous events, with little advance
- planning and consequently little advance notice, so if you couldn't drop
- everything and fly to Vegas then you missed out. But, such spontaneity isn't
- too practical for large groups, so now we try to plan things a bit more. An
- email list has been created to help those interested in BARGE to plan for the
- trip. To be added to the mailing list, send email to BARGE-request@vmark.com.
- Messages to the mailing list itself should be sent to BARGE@vmark.com.
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- Q:H4 What is IRC Poker?
- A:H4 (Steve Jacobs)
-
- IRC poker is a real-time network poker game that allows people from around the
- world to play poker with each other via the internet. The stakes are imaginary
- "etherbucks". For more information about IRC Poker, see the poker section of
- the rec.gambling FAQ.
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