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- From: aephraim@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Aephraim M. Steinberg)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Do Balloons fly?
- Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:22:07 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- In article <1992Nov5.130316.28438@kth.se> e92_anh@vaxkab.lne.kth.se () writes:
- >This will probably sound like a silly question to a lot of you, but WHY
- >does a helium-filled balloon rise upward? Is it because of the
- >difference in air-pressure at the balloon's top and bottom, causing the
- >resulting force to press it upward?
-
- Yes, amazingly enough.
-
- >
- >Thus, consider this: If the air surrounding the balloon had exactly the
- >same density on all sides, then the balloon would not move (I think).
-
- No, actually it would sink, I think, because there is still the effect
- of gravity. (The two effects are equal if the balloon has the same
- density as air, which is why for Helium the air pressure dominates.)
- Furthermore, density alone does not determine pressure; your statement
- is true if the temperature is the same above and below the balloon.
-
- If you try to construct a naive equilibrium model of the atmosphere,
- where pressure gradients exactly compensate gravity, I seem to remember
- that you find temperature decreasing monotonically as altitude increases,
- and reaching absolute zero at an altitude on the order of 50 miles.
- Amusing since, though the model fails to describe at all the actually
- quite complicated dynamics of the atmosphere, 50 miles is the figure
- typically taken as an arbitrary "end of the atmosphere, beginning of
- space" estimate. (I guess before the shuttle that was as high as anything
- resembling an airplane had flown, too.)
-
- --
- Aephraim M. Steinberg | "WHY must I treat the measuring
- UCB Physics | device classically?? What will
- aephraim@physics.berkeley.edu | happen to me if I don't??"
- | -- Eugene Wigner
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