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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Standard QM rules out FTL correlation signals, simplest proof.
- Message-ID: <mcirvin.720984894@husc8>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 17:34:54 GMT
- Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.720984894
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- bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
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- >In article <1d1tk9INNsk8@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes:
- >>svetlich@math.rutgers.edu (George Svetlichny) writes:
- >>: Thus standard QM does not allow for correlation signals between commuting
- >>: observables. Space-like separated observables commute, so there are no
- >>: correlation signals between them *at all*, be they superluminal, luminal,
- >>: or subluminal.
- >>
- >>How are conservation laws enforced?
-
- >Spottily.
-
- Or, if you go to a covariant formulation of relativistic QM (so that
- the spottiness in all genuine conservation laws disappears), the answer
- is "locally." Conserved quantities have densities and currents which
- obey a local continuity equation: increase in stuff within a local
- region is equal to the total inflow of current, and likewise for flow
- the other way. No nonlocal dynamics are necessary.
-
- Now, these quantities are quantum-mechanical operators, so you might
- say that putting a system into a superposition of states with different
- distributions of the conserved stuff requires a nonlocal effect when
- a measurement occurs. What George Svetlichny means is that such
- nonlocal effects don't allow you, for instance, to manipulate an
- observable over there by measuring one over here, since by spacelike
- commutation, probabilities for values of the one over there are
- independent of whether or not the measurement over here has happened
- yet.
-
- > "The owls are not what they seem."
- > -A giant.
-
- Of course, we don't know what Garland Briggs knows about this.
- --
- Matt McIrvin
-