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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Law of Causality
- Message-ID: <nyikos.720906717@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- References: <1992Oct22.060852.23449@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> <BwJ7nw.90F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct22.200110.21065@spectrum.xerox.com> <nyikos.720043946@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1992Oct28.210817.1177@spectrum.xerox.com>
- Date: 4 Nov 92 19:51:57 GMT
- Lines: 62
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- I've added talk.religion.misc partly in response to Erik's closing comments.
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- In <1992Oct28.210817.1177@spectrum.xerox.com> eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall) writes:
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- >In article <nyikos.720043946@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >|> In <1992Oct22.200110.21065@spectrum.xerox.com> eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall) writes:
- >|>
- >|> >In article <BwJ7nw.90F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales) writes:
- >|> >|> >The Law of Causality has been known a priori and regared as necessarily
- >|> >|> >true by philosophers for centuries.
- >|> >|> >
- >|> >|> >Much philosophy has depended on it.
- >|> >|> >
- >|> >|> >Quantum Mechanics denies the Law of Causality.
- >|> >|>
- >|> >|> Let's be careful here. It is more accurate to say that some
- >|> >|> (philosophically indefensible!) interpretations of QM deny the
- >|> >|> Law of Causality.
- >|> >|>
- >|> >|> --Jimbo
- >|>
- >|> >Perhaps it is the _definition_ of causality that is problematic here. What _kind_
- >|> >of causality would certain QM interpretations negate? By the way, chaos theory
- >|> >is bound by causality! The only thing chaos theory says about causality is that
- >|> >everything is subject to the sensitivity of initial conditions. The "butterfly
- >|> >effect" within chaos is about causality to the max!
- >|>
- >|> That makes no difference. My point was that quantum-magnitude
- >|> perturbations *might* lead, whether by stricly causal methods or otherwise,
- >|> to grossly observable changes. The perturbations themselves, on the
- >|> other hand, could at least in theory take the form of "choosing" between
- >|> two or more *possible* outcomes of the same physical state of affairs.
- >|> The upshot is that a non-physical soul (assuming, for the sake of argument,
- >|> that such things exist) could act on a body without this action being
- >|> detectable *even in theory*, yet make a big difference on how that body
- >|> goes through life.
-
- >Huh? Let me get this straight. This was a thread about QM and causality, and now this
- >notion of "soul" starts to creep in. Whoa! If you want to discuss this topic,
- >please create a new thread like "Soul, does it exist?"
-
- Sorry, you are misreading my message. Perhaps I could start a thread
- titled, "Soul, is its existence and action in the world compatible with
- the scientific data?" But that would not fit into the table of contents,
- and I would prefer to also add "at least in principle" after "compatible."
-
- , so people can waste HUGE
- >amounts of bandwidth spewing their own pet theories. And please X-post to
- >sci.skeptic, alt.atheism, and a host of other worthy recipients of this underdiscussed
- >topic.
-
- I have no intention of starting the kind of thread you are suggesting.
- If you would like to start one, do it yourself. I give you permission
- to use this post to get started.
-
- >Yours in flames,
-
- They're pointed the wrong way.
-
- >Erik.
-
- Peter Nyikos
-