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- From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: Russell's Paradox
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- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:32:46 GMT
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- In article <25916@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov04.233228.16942@Cookie.secapl.com> Frank Adams writes:
- >]In article <24780@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- >]>This (or so I claim) is the single, simple, obvious cause of Russel's
- >]>paradox. In particular, R = {x : x not elem x} is a definition of
- >]>type (2) that contains an implicit reference to R because x quantifies
- >]>over a set that contains R. (Or you could show the recursion in the
- >]>definition of elem as I did before)...
- >]
- >]It appears to me that you are complaining not about elementhood being a
- >]proposition, but about the unrestricted range of the quantification in the
- >]axiom of comprehension. Note that your complaint about the implicit
- >]reference to R is just as applicable to R = {x : x = x}, which gives the
- >]universal set without using elementhood.
- >
- >No, I am not complaining about elementhood being a proposition, I am
- >complaining about a syntactic circularity begin treated as though it
- >had semantic significance. Neither am I concerned about the
- >unrestricted range of the quantification. As the set {x : x = x}
- >clearly shows, there is no inconsistency inherent in either
- >self-membership or impredicativity. I claim that {x : x = x} is a
- >perfectly reasonable set and that the mere fact that ZF proves the
- >opposite is enough to show that ZF is not an adequate axiomatization
- >of set theory.
-
- Dare I concur?
-
- >--
- > David Gudeman
- >gudeman@cs.arizona.edu
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- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
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