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- From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox
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- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:31:34 GMT
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- Re Gudeman:
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- Your criterion for an acceptable property is wrong.
-
- The open sentence "x is not an element of x" is in fact true or false
- for each x, in any reasonable set theory. But it does not define a
- set. The reason it does not define a set is that _if it defined a
- set_ there would be a problem with substituting some particular x (the
- extension of this property) into the sentence. There is in fact no
- instance in either ZFC or NFU in which "~x E x" fails to be true or
- false for some x; in ZFC, it is _always true_, and in NFU it is
- sometimes true and sometimes false.
-
- My appeal to particular set theories is merely to point out that this
- situation is coherent and belies your criterion for a property to be a
- "real" property. Some perfectly well-defined open sentences which
- have truth values no matter what is substituted into them cannot have
- extensions or intensions. Once again, there is no problem with
- self-membership or non-self-membership holding of particular objects;
- there simply is no "object" which is the extension of
- "self-membership" or "non-self-membership". And this does not mean
- that the objects in the universe are not unambiguously divided between
- the self-members and the non-self-members; there is no ambiguity, no
- gray area between them. But there cannot be a set of the
- non-self-members.
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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