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- From: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
- Subject: Re: The Carnot Engine
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.063016.20684@ugle.unit.no>
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- Reply-To: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
- Organization: Division of Marine Engineering
- References: <1992Nov9.212250.4358@spcvxb.spc.edu> <BxHGrF.CI6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:30:16 GMT
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- In article <BxHGrF.CI6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov9.212250.4358@spcvxb.spc.edu> 4chua_l@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
- |> >IN MY THERMODYNAMICS CLASS SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION: THE CARNOT ENGINE
- |> >IS AN IDEAL ENGINE WHOSE THERMAL EFFICIENCY IS 100% IS THERE AN ENGINE THAT
- |> >EXIST IN TODAY'S WORLD THAT CLOSELY RESEMBLES THAT OF THE CARNOT
- |> >ENGINE'S THERMAL EFFICIENCY?
- |> > PLEASE HELP THIS STRUGGLING PHYSICS MAJOR OUT
- |> > TTTTTTHHHHHHAAANNKKKKK YYYOOOUUU!!!!
- |> > THE PERTURB PSEUDOPHYSICIST
- |>
- |> Correct me if I am wrong, but a Carnot engine can not be 100% efficient. I
- |> seem to remember that the equation for effieciency of a Carnot engine can
- |> be expressed as
- |>
- |> Efficiency = 1-(Cold Temperature/Hot Temperature)
- |>
- |> So, unless operating at absolute zero, there is no way a Carnot engine can
- |> be 100% efficient. Am I right on this, or am I thinking of something
- |> different??
- |>
- |> Anyway, I have heard that the the latest model heat pumps for homes and
- |> businesses come very close to the ideal Carnot efficiency. Anybody else
- |> hear this too??
- |>
-
- You are right. Acctually there is no such thing as an Carnot engine
- it is only an ideal process that is used as a first approximation for
- calculating an engines maximum efficency. (Assuming things like instant
- heat supply at max compression no heatloss and so on.)
-
- I don't think the Carnot prosses fits the prosess of a
- heat pump very well, but heat pumps is not my field. For a large
- diesel engine the overall efficency can get up to above 50% while
- the Carnot prosess will give about 65%. So there still is *some*
- room for improvement (not much though).
-
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