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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: jobs, again
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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:08:02 GMT
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- In article <thompson.721598892@daphne.socsci.umn.edu> thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu writes:
- >nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >
- >[gloomy stuff deleted]
- >
- >> I have repeatedly asked various people who think I'm
- >> being too pessimistic to name the areas or industries
- >> where they anticipate growth in good-quality jobs.
- >> What would you advise a college freshman to major in
- >> today? What would you advise a laid-off autoworker
- >> to seek training in?
- >
- >> Invariably, answer came there none.
- >>
- >
- >I do not think that our inability to forecast where growth will occur
- >implies that growth will not occur anywhere.
-
- But it doesn't imply that it WILL -- and that it WILL is
- the thesis of many net.optimists, so it would certainly
- give them more credibility to be more specific.
-
- Certainly in the past whole industries have died out
- displacing huge numbers of workers. But this usually
- occurred under circumstances where it was fairly obvious
- that new industries were emerging. Agriculture was
- the primary occupation in the US until this century,
- but even as mechanization reduced the need for human
- labor in the fields, huge new employers arose in the
- cities and there were mass migrations in Europe and the US.
- Hores&buggy's were replaced by autos. The engineers
- around Boston's Route 128-belt who lost their jobs near
- the end of the Vietnam War were soon at work at the new
- computer companies that sprung up in the same region.
- And so on.
-
- I have no doubt there will be growth in certain fields --
- the demand for molecular biologists will probably grow with
- biotech, for instance. But this is a tiny, narrow technical
- specialty which will not provide significant employment
- to those currently losing their jobs. Biotech in general
- is not very labor-intensive.
-
- There has seldom been a recession where there was not a
- spurt of job growth following the end of it (yes, I know
- jobs are a lagging indicator). But theoretically we've
- been out of this recession for a year and jobs are still
- declining -- October saw another drop.
-
- But the GDP is growing (sluggishly, but growing). As I
- pointed out, there is something *new* going on here: As
- a result of process and technology improvements companies
- are discovering that they can grow their revenues and their
- unit output, often dramatically, and continue to improve
- quality, introduce new products, etc, with FEWER employees.
-
- This is a new disconnect -- people are still talking about
- "growth" but GDP growth does not necessarily add up to
- jobs growth anymore and this is only just starting to
- dawn on people.
-
-
- ---peter
-
-
-