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- From: adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg)
- Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov11.165508.22194@microware.com>
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- References: <lfsuhaINNpip@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> <1992Nov9.132014.28218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1992Nov9.140346.18345@julian.uwo.ca> <1dmu5fINN43g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:55:08 GMT
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- aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
-
-
- >In a previous article, bhhardy@cs.utk.edu (Barbara Hardy) says:
-
- >>
- >>I have an 85 Dodge Omni/2.2L front wheel drive, 112K miles.
- >>
- >>When driving straight ahead, the engine noise is a little louder than
- >>it ought to be. This is in comparison to the engine noise when I am
- >>turning left. It feels quite good then, no tension. As I bring the car
- >>back to straight ahead, the noise increase. It gets positvely
- >>annoyingly and scarily loud when I turn to the right, and the noise
- >>"feels" more "tense."
- >>
- >>I was driving on many miles on winding road yesterday, and I got to
- >>experiment a little with it. Turns out that when I apply the brakes,
- >>the noise drops quite noticebly (sp)!
- >>
- >>Any clues as to what this could be?
- >>
- >constant velocity joint sounds like my first guess w/o seeing it?..
- >anyone?
-
- Aha!
-
- Although noises changing when turning often means a CV joint, the noise
- is generally described as a clicking noise. More often than not it
- is very hard to hear without sticking your head out the window, or
- driving next to a sound-reflective surface (wall). I'll admit, however,
- that the Omni's CV joints are easier to hear than most when they go bad,
- since the car is farily small and econo-box-like.
-
- But! (sorry, got sidetracked), this problem sounds like an exhaust
- problem. Clues:
-
- o '...driving straight ahead...engine noise...louder (compared to)
- engine noise...turning left'
-
- o '...bring the car...straight ahead (from left), the noise increase'
-
- o '...positively loud...turn to right'
-
- o 'apply brakes...noise drops noticeably'
-
- No mention of clicking, and CV joines will generally make the noise when
- turned EITHER way.
-
- In this car, the exhaust manifold pipe (the pipe immediately AFTER the
- exhaust manifold) is held to the manifold by two springs around screws
- with a gasket in between the pipe and the manifold. This allows the
- pipe to shift when the engine shifts (without breaking) as it
- generally does when accelerating, breaking or turning.
-
- Consider what would happen if the right-hand screw has rusted away:
-
- When the car turns to the left, the engine shifts right, holding the
- joint between the manifold and the pipe closed (and the car quiet).
-
- When the car is going straight, the engine is not shifting, and there
- is a slight gap between the pipe and the manifold (and the car is
- slightly noisy).
-
- When the car is turning right, the engine shifts left, opening the gap
- (and the car is loud).
-
- When braking, the engine twists backward (the top moves slightly
- closer to the driver), closing the gap and quieting the car.
-
- I'd take the car to an exhaust shop.
-
- (Let me know if I'm right!)
-
- --
- Adam G.
- adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
- The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
- statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.
-