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- From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov9.120754.37981@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
- Date: 9 Nov 92 12:07:54 GMT
- References: <1992Nov7.233410.15205@global.hacktic.nl>
- Organization: Colorado School of Mines
- Lines: 73
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- peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
- : rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
- :
- : >Why is that more intuitive than 'ls' ? I have to learn CAT ,D2 ...
- :
- : >Why is that important to have DIR. You can setup 'dir' as an alias for 'ls'.
- : >ls -l is not as difficult as DIR /W
- :
- : Not *because* it is ls, but because most people know DIR and don't know ls. It
- : doesn't matter if it's DIR, LIST, LD, CATALOG or ls, as long as it is what the
- : user expects. And since DOS, OS/2, AmigaDOS, OS-9 and I guess other systems as
- : well use DIR and nog ls, that makes DIR a standard. Hey! Even FTP uses DIR!
-
- Uhm, I know it's a small point, but one people seem to forget: Most People
- in the World speak Chinese, so, why don't we insist on writing in English ?
-
- Or, why is it good to learn some french when you're travelling to France ?
-
- My point is, Unix offer many advantages (and some disadvantages) than more
- simpler systems such as DOS and OS/2. Should users want to use those
- advantages, they should expect to learn and think the way Unix does.
- If they find Unix is too complex, and don't want to bother with asking
- someone for help, or paying someone for help, then probably Unix wasn't
- meant for them in the first place.
-
- The 'dir to ls' comparison is ridiculous. It's like saying since most
- people know Basic, 'C' should be packaged with macros which will accept
- PRINT as an alias to 'printf()'. And LISP shouldn't have all those
- parenthesis, because they are foreign to Fortran users trying to
- switch to LISP.
-
- Today Unix and most of its variants are large and complex operating
- systems, designed for the use of large and serious tasks and systems.
- Moreover, I will also say that Unix today is meant to be run and
- managed by system administrators who know what they're doing.
-
- That does *not* say that Unix _users_ should be wizards. It's part
- of the sysadmin's job to make the system (Unix or otherwise) as easy
- to use as possible.
-
- People to forget that most Unix systems are *not* home systems. High
- end dedicated workstations to powerful Cray machines use Unix. I doubt
- people running these machines are those who can't figure out how to
- manage Unix.
-
- Now, there is a growing trend for Unix to enter the home market, thanks
- for SCO (but remember that the total users and sales is tiny compared
- to the rest of the Unix market.) But really, most Unix packages today
- are easy to install. When I installed a Microport svr4 on my machine
- recently, I just pop in the first disk, answer some questions, and
- that was that. I just waited for the beep prompting me to insert the
- next disk. Heck, I had fewer problems than installing OS/2 2.0 !
-
- Why do people who find Unix too hard want Unix at home anyhow ? If
- they want it to learn Unix, and were willing to pay $1000+ for it,
- then they'd probably learn 'real Unix' anyhow. If they need if for
- their job, then they don't have a choice but to learn Unix anyhow.
-
- I've said it once and I'll say it again: most people who flame Unix
- complain that as a single-user-system without a dedicated sysadmin
- person, Unix is too hard. Well, I think those people need to wake
- up, smell the coffee, and realize that Unix wasn't meant to be a
- single-user-system without a dedicated sysadmin person.
-
- It's like asking why a nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier is too complicated
- for a single-tuna-fisherman.
-
- Regards,
-
- -Ade.
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