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- From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <BxG89G.Mn6@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <1992Nov3.232025.14287@slate.mines.colorado.edu> <1992Nov6.134154.7257@global.hacktic.nl> <BxD6nn.6Bz@unix.amherst.edu>
- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:34:27 GMT
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- >>> difference between Unix and the command shell.
- >>
- >>You tell Joe User that UNIX is a kernel and not a shell.
- >
- >Okay. "The part of Unix that reads your commands from the keyboard
- >and interprets them is called a `shell.' There are a number of
- >different `shells' available for Unix, and each one of them works a
- >little differently." What else?
-
- And whose going to tell them if there is no sysadmin? And where are they
- supposed to get these easy "shells?" And who cares if "other shells" are
- easy, if THIS one is a pain in the rear.
- >He says this has nothing to do with Unix because there's nothing about
- >Unix that requires you to use vi. There are plenty of editors
- >available for free that are not difficult to use. Oh, "the net" means
- >nothing to these people, sorry. They can order an Emacs tape from the
- >FSF for, what? $150?
-
- Ok, so now I have to have $150.00 and a $200.00 tape drive. Or I can get
- Windows on disk. Have you ever seen the word processor that comes free
- with Windows? It has *EVERYTHING* except spell checking. I could print
- something out of it with pictures, fonts, and it would look JUST LIKE
- framemaker or island write or something. And it's *FREE*. Now what
- incentive does Joe User have to go to Unix and use "VI." While I'm on
- this topic: can anyone explain to me why VI couldn't put the arrow keys
- on jkl;, the universal right hand keys? Why do I have to shift and shift
- back? Didn't the programmers know how to type?
-
- >Plug in the SLS disks for Linux and answer the pretty questions.
- >Next?
-
- And where did I get these disks? From what store? And what manuals came
- with them? And what about X? And where do I buy applications? And how
- do I install them?
-
- >>*IF* you have a sysadmin. What if it's your machine at home?
- >
- >Then, by default, you're your own system manager. Can't hack it? Get
- >a different operating system.
-
- aaah, then you are prepared to give up 95% of the home market to Windows
- and OS/2?
- >>
- >>Probably, but does that stop people?
- >
- >Not to begin with. When it becomes apparent, though, that there is an
- >alternative to their buggy, problematic platforms, they might begin to
- >choose otherwise.
-
- You live in a dream world Tim. The functionality that Windows/OS/2/Mac
- provides out of the box takes MONTHS to simulate through an editor here,
- a new command shell there, recompile X over here etc. etc.
-
- Unix has to provide that functionality ITSELF, complete, and CHEAP!
-