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- From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
- Subject: Re: New SPARC Classic
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.183706.4470@utstat.uucp>
- Keywords: sun, classic, sparc
- Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
- References: <1992Nov11.071304.16768@tetrasoft.com> <1992Nov11.230438.21819@reed.edu> <1992Nov12.021408.5454@RedBrick.COM>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:37:06 GMT
- Lines: 61
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- In article <1992Nov12.021408.5454@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM () writes:
-
- [ ]
-
- > 1) Sun should be selling the machine at an educational discount beyond
- > the already low $3995 price, even if it is at a loss. OR
- >
- > 2) Sun should be selling the machine at a higher price to those of
- > us who aren't *blessed* with access to educational discounts.
- >
- > I find both arguments extremely hard to stomach. I agree that companies
- > should try and reduce their margins on educational sales if they have
- > fairly high margins on regular sales, for several reasons. Educational
- > usage will help the future by seeding the world with lots of people
- > who are exposed to the machine. It also helps the present by getting
- > a critical mass of software developers working on the machine who are
- > in a position to build stuff without a massive capital investment (they
- > are already being supported through school by their parents/school/
- > state/federal govt (pick all that apply :-)).
-
- At first glance this seems reasonable.
- >
- > But if the company chooses to reduce its margins to the bare minimum
- > and sell a product at a very small markup to everyone, I don't
- > see why they should be expected to offer educational discounts.
- >
- > And I don't see why being in school should somehow magically entitle
- > you to own a machine at a lower price than me, just because you are
- > in school. And I also fail to see how this is a "low" level of
- > marketing.
-
- The main issue involves the collection, generation and delivery of knowledge.
- Knowledge should, in my opinion, be freely available and the tools to
- generate it, etc...should be priced at a point to make them accessible to
- all people, but especially those involved in generating new knowledge.
-
- Universities have produced much of the research knowledge which makes it
- possible for companies to then go on to make a commercial go of repackaging
- knowledge and selling it as various products. This has been brought up before,
- but one might think of all those mathematical results used in the computing
- field, and which get used in designing new products, and all those
- mathematicians who will never revieve, not expect, any financial gain for it.
-
- I live in a society where universities are not profit oriented.In general the
- search for new knowledge is too important to allow it to be hindered by
- those who would slow it down for commercial reasons. I do feel that universitiesshould simply not buy, if possible, from vendors that do not provide
- substantial educational "discounts".
- >
- > BTW, most products are NOT offered at significant educational discounts.
- > For instance, cars, stereos, video cameras, appliances, etc. Why are
- > computers somehow "different"? If it is in the vendor's interest to
- > offer a discount, I have no problem with that. But I fail to see why
- > discounts should somehow be mandated. I would prefer to see low-margin
- > prices on everything to everybody.
-
- This "vendor's interest" approach does not appear to be in the spirit of man's
- search for Nature's secrets.
-
- Philip McDunnough
- University of Toronto
- philip@utstat.toronto.edu
-