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- From: chips@tek.com (Chip Schnarel)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
- Subject: Re: Upgrades not limited to si's?
- Message-ID: <chips-091192131141@maverick.wr.tek.com>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 00:01:11 GMT
- Article-I.D.: maverick.chips-091192131141
- References: <z7m12hg@rpi.edu>
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- In article <z7m12hg@rpi.edu>, simsh@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Chewbacca) wrote:
- >
- > I just heard last night that it's also possible to upgrade the oscillator in
- > your PB 140 or Quadra 700/900 the same way as in the IIsi. Anyone tried this
- > or know anything about it? I'm curious, but I don't know how reliable the
- > source is. It'd be loads of fun to pick up a cheap 140 and run it like a 145.
- >
- > --
-
- Look people, do you really know what you're doing when you modify your
- machine? Are you considering the consequences? I'm not flaming those
- who've performed the upgrade, indeed I may perform it myself when my
- warranty expires. But this whole-sale discussion of sticking a new crystal
- in anything should be couched in extreme caution. (I'm NOT picking on
- Chewy, I'm talking about this whole thread.)
-
- I've been waiting for someone with manufacturing experience to speak up,
- but since no-one has I'll stick my feet into my own mouth.
-
- If you choose to upgrade your crystal speed, by all means go ahead, but
- before you make that decision, consider the following.
-
- Electronic circuits are designed with a particular clock speed in mind.
- Some margin is built into these designs. The need for margin comes from
- two primary sources. 1) The speed of each component varies from machine to
- machine. Margin assures that the worst possible combination of components
- still works. 2) The speed of all the components within a system varies
- with changes in temperature and powersupply voltage. Margin assures that
- the machine still works under the worst possible combination of influences.
-
- In manufacturing, the product is tested, typically over temperature. On
- the old compact Macs this used to be a twenty-four hour burn in. I don't
- know what they do now. When you modify your Mac do you test it for
- twenty-four hours? Do you test it over the whole temperature range?
-
- If you don't, you might create a Mac that works fine right now, but gets
- flakey next summer when the room temperature is eighty degrees. Or a Mac
- that gets flakey as the components age and the individual timings shift
- slightly.
-
- This thread began with a discussion of Apple designing to 25MHz but
- shipping at 20MHz. Maybe so, maybe not. Who knows? I do know that the
- CPU in my Mac is labeled -20 not -25. Same with the FPU. So at least two
- critical components are not rated for this speed. Also, the manufacturing
- process tests at the operating speed, not the design speed. No
- (production) Mac IIsi is tested at 25MHz until you do it yourself. Let's
- say you modify your machine and it works. It may be that you have removed
- most of the margin and that it works right now, but if anything else
- changes, you have no margin in reserve. Your machine will become flakey or
- might just die.
-
- It's your machine. Do what you want with it, but make your decision from a
- position of knowledge.
-
- Chip
-
- BTW - Rosin core solder is hydroscopic. That means that over time it soaks
- up water and becomes slightly conductive. At 50MHz this can (and HAS in my
- experience) effect operation. I hope that you have all cleaned the rosin
- off with alcohol before you replace the board.
-