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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: "The Universe of MOTION" (crackpot index)
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- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:01:45 GMT
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- In article <Oct.15.08.35.20.1992.24954@paul.rutgers.edu> marlowe@paul.rutgers.edu (Thomas Marlowe) writes:
- >I think that jb's otherwise praiseworthy index leaves out a few
- >considerations:
- >
- >(1) misciting of physical principles should be worth quite a bit,
- > especially:
- > the laws of thermodynamics
- > the observer effect and wave function collapse
- > the big bang, etc.
- >
- >(2) quotes out of context, especially if reposted, are a real killer.
- >
- >(3) citing of myth as scientific fact superseding observation (see Ted
- > Holden's postings on talk.origins; also compare Velikovsky and van
- > Daniken) should also pile on the points.
- >
- >i leave it to the esteemed author of the index to assign points for these
- >infractions.
-
- I want the index to be easy to compute. In fact, what I'd really like
- would be an index that could be computed automatically. Someone wrote
- to me saying he might try to write a program that would catch some of
- the more obvious signs of crankery. It would be charming if this
- program could be used to automatically rate each article as it appeared,
- someday (see above). Of course, many of my criteria would be very hard
- to program in. Your criterion (1) would be much harder: people have
- many legitimate disagreements as to "wave function collapse," and even
- some of the sillier views are not indications of crackpottism. In
- short, drawing the line is difficult here and I want something that
- everyone with a crackpot index of less than 50 can agree upon. (2) is
- also true and I think I know who you are referring to! This can be hard
- to check sometimes, though. (3) is good and should be added to the
- "science fiction" category.
-