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- From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
- Subject: Re: Computability of the universe
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.183603.2357@sei.cmu.edu>
- Organization: Software Engineering Institute
- References: <1992Sep10.021939.10087@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Sep10.131437.15148@sei.cmu.edu> <rwallace.716144999@unix1.tcd.ie>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:36:03 GMT
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- In article <rwallace.716144999@unix1.tcd.ie> rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace) writes:
-
- >Not so. A Turing machine can perform any feasible computation (the
- >Church-Turing thesis).
-
- Yes, I know the thesis. The argument is circular, because it defines
- "feasible" to mean "capable of being computed by a <machine equivalent
- to> a Turing machine". Unfortunately, a true random number is not
- one of the things so computable, though it can of course be computed
- using one of several flavours of the universal quantum computer.
-
- The analogy with Greek geometry is exact. They defined "constuctible"
- to mean "constructible with only straight edge and compasses", whence
- it follows trivially that straight edge and compasses can construct
- all "constructible" figures. Unfortunately, the trisector of an angle
- is not one of those "constructible" figures, though it can of course
- be constructed using the method of Archimedes.
-
- The argument that a Turing machine can produce an arbitrarily close
- approximation to a true random sequence is just as bogus as the
- argument that successive bisections can produce an arbitrarily close
- approximation to a trisection. Yes, they can, but the issue is the
- formal solvability of the problem, isn't it?
-