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- From: jeffl@comix.UUCP (Jeff Liebermann)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
- Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
- Summary: Xenix Lives
- Message-ID: <437@comix.UUCP>
- Date: 5 Sep 92 01:41:48 GMT
- References: <9209010926.AA25624@dynamix.com>
- Followup-To: comp.unix.xenix.sco
- Organization: COmmittee to Maintain Independent Xenix
- Lines: 77
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- In article <9209010926.AA25624@dynamix.com> david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis) writes:
- (stuff deleted)
- >I've upgraded plenty of 2.3.2 sites to 2.3.4 and never even considered
- >Unix, and I know for a FACT that a LOT of very experienced and
- >knowledgeable folks in this group (and locally) that have done the same ...
- >perhaps these guys know something you don't?
-
- My favorite topic. Unix vs Xenix. Every one of my customers have
- read the advertising literature and asked the same question. All
- of them are interested in the really neat features and wiz bang
- knotworking available under Unix. Then I lay upon them the price.
- Not the cost of the runtime, but my labour cost for the "painless"
- upgrade. I've done 4 Xenix to Unix transplants and they were anything
- but painless. There are some nifty scripts to make it easier, but
- no way do they cover every possible tweak and tune necessary. After
- getting the estimate, all of a sudden, they start to like Xenix.
- Most of them are using it for cash registers, data logging, inventory,
- telemarketeering, email, and other mundane character based applications.
- They dont really need Unix.
-
- On a similar topic, I recently moved a hospital admin system from
- Xenix to Novell 2.2. It was perfectly reliable and functional
- under Xenix. All it lacked was the artistic colors, graphics,
- pop-ups, and productivity software found in abundance under DOS.
- Now, we have ram-cram, pop-up and crash, remote modem hassles,
- a fairly expensive cost per additional user, and a noticable loss
- of reliability and data integrity. Last week, I was asked what
- it would cost to restore the Xenix system for just the accounting
- functions.
-
- >> Face it, folks. The world is moving towards POSIX and other standards
- Sure. Just like we're moving toward ecological destruction,
- political chaos, and fiscal insolvency. Just how much money
- does adherence to POSIX save the average retail Xenix user?
- While the world moves towards POSIX, I still cant find a bookkeeping
- package that is totally reliable. POSIX doesn't guarantee a
- program will work.
-
- >they want a
- >solution that just flat out works, and THATS Xenix, the most mature and
- Yep. That's what I get paid to do. Make it work, keep it working
- by itself, and get out. My Unix customers see me constantly (for
- one reason or other). My Xenix customers see me rarely.
-
- >these damn Unix vendors can't agree on ANYTHING and NO standards are a sure
- >thing ... so your "lets all follow the standards blindly" argument bites
-
- There once was a standards committee,
- Which met in a part of the city.
- So rather than think,
- in went kitchen sink,
- and now we are worse off, a pity.
-
- >right, and the fact that Xenix CONSISTENTLY OUTPERFORMS the bulky, slow,
- >overgrown SVR4 kernel is meaningless ... and if the client is NEVER
- Yep. The "real" problem with Unix is that it does too much
- for most of my customers. I guess the price of success is
- bloat and pollution.
-
- comix runs SCO Unix 3.2v4.1 with every last patch, sls, app, fix,
- and kludge I can find. I want to know what it will do BEFORE
- it gets delivered. The name of the game is uptime and reliability.
- I rotate the latest vendor supplied cards and drivers through
- it constantly. The suprises are endless. The latest 3.2v4 development
- system is now 4 times slower than the 3.2v2 dev sys. I guess it's
- more "standard" now. When my one and only developer/customer
- found out, he went into hysterics.
-
- Some day, some vendor will produce "Unix Lite" (not Destiny) that's
- designed as a business platform. I'll be the first in line.
- This is what I hoped SCO would position Xenix, but didn't.
-
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