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- From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
- Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
- Organization: SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
- Message-ID: <9209061050.AA05570@dynamix.com>
- Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 10:50:19 EDT
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- > So what are the "good reasons" to drop Xenix/286 support? As far as I
-
- How about all those segmentation violations that arose from the 286 not
- having hardware memory protection? The 286 was a bastardized 186, and both
- were brain-dead. My opinions are based on the hardware, not the OS.
- But again, this is a digression.
-
- > can tell, it's still a viable OS -- there are people out there still
- > running it (I know, we have a client who is using it), and it serves
- > their needs just fine.
-
- Wow, this is quite a contradiction to what you've been arguing ...
- How can you say Xenix has no reason for existence one second and the next
- say that it still serves the clients needs just fine and is a viable OS ???
- Why haven't you forced this client and others like them to switch to Unix?
- WOW!!! Could it be that ... perhaps ... they don't NEED Unix???!!!
- You said it yourself Marc, Xenix serves their needs just fine, and THATS
- what we've all been saying right along ...
-
- > So why is it okay for vendors to ditch
- > Xenix/286, but not okay for them to drop Xenix/386? After all, apps
-
- Lots of reasons ... the hardware is obsolete and flawed, and the OS
- suffered many problems because of this ... but again, this digression
-
- > >Xenix is the absolute most mature and stable product on the *nix market.
- >
- > Again, you're making these sweeping statements. Qualify "mature" and
- > "stable", please.
-
- Show me a *nix that's been in the intel-based micro market longer -
- you can't - why? - because Xenix was the first, and I was there to witness
- it's birth on the 286 (Tandy released it's version of Microsoft Xenix, and
- soon thereafter SCO did as well)
- So what I meant by mature and stable was that it's had more time to have
- all the major problems resolved, and to become more refined ...
-
- > >What exactly do you mean by "clean"?
- >
- > I mean that SCO Unix doesn't have ugly kludges like Xenix's
- > pseudo-inittab file.
-
- What would inittab provide that /etc/ttys doesn't? Under *normal*
- circumstances, /etc/ttys w/ enable/disable does just fine.
-
- > Or Xenix's horrid V7-style kernel configuration.
-
- Oh please ... the configure script makes this simple and painless ...
- who cares what "style" configuration the system uses as long as it
- works ... I've never once had a problem configuring Xenix ...
-
- > And ever try to get Xenix to use domain-style e-mail addresses with
- > the software SCO supplies?
-
- Nope - I've always used smail ... never had a problem with it either
- (why buy an inferior SCO product when a free on will do?)
-
- > >Easier to administer?
- >
- > Yep. I don't have to keep two separate areas in my mind for "the way
- > Xenix does things" and "the way everything else does things."
-
- So Unix is better than Xenix because you don't want to learn Xenix?
- Sure it's different, but are all Unixes out there the same? Hell no.
- Again, our primary concern is the clients best interest ... so if Xenix is
- the best solution, we provide it, and if it means that one of our systems
- people have to do some relearning from SVR4 (where most of our ppl come
- from) to Xenix, so be it ...
-
- > >Nice choice of .sigs ... sounds like you're out to enlighten the entire
- > >world (and not just us unfortunates on c.u.x.sco!) to your way of
- > >thinking.
- >
- > It's a JOKE, Dave. Y'know, like, something you laugh at? Get a clue.
- > No, here, take two -- they're small.
- >
- > ># Real men don't try to tell the world what a real man does. #
- >
- > Oooh. Why, I feel so...unMANly now.
-
- My point was that your .sig fell right in place with what you've been
- trying to tell everybody here ... "hey, real men don't use Xenix" ...
-
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