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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
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- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:10:14 GMT
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- In <jochenw.716044100@akela> jochenw@akela.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters) writes:
-
- > Can you prove your point? Nope, you can't, since ease of use does
- >depend on personal preferences.
-
- Yes, I can. All I need to do is sit down with a user and a stopwatch.
- You are confusing science (in this case, ergonomics) with opinion.
-
-
- >I know a lot of folks, who are glad
- >that they don't have to use a GUI and others that wouldn't get their
- >work done without one.
-
- I know a lot of people who are glad they read their horoscopes
- everyday and a lot of people who don't. That does not change
- the fact that it is bunk.
-
-
- > If you love your Mac and its Finder as much as I do -yep, I'm a Mac
- >addict as well!- that's fine. But you have to accept that there's
- >different strokes for different folks.
-
- Which is why you guys are spending so much time trying to tell
- us that "MACS COST TOO MUCH," right?
-
-
- >Just because we prefer a GUI
- >doesn't mean that CLIs are necessarily inferior in general.
-
- No. The fact that actual measurements show that CLIs are
- slower means that they are inferior.
-
- And let me add, once again, that the Macintosh does not have
- a GUI. It simply has an interface. Real computers do not
- need three-letter acronyms just to make simple things sound
- IMPORTANT.
-
-
- >>False. It takes longer to remember and type a command line
- >>than it does to click on an icon.
-
- > That's a question of practice.
-
- No, it's not. Remembering uses a different part of the brain
- than recognizing does. EEGs prove that, and no amount of
- practice will change it.
-
-
- >And there are things that you
- >absolutely can't handle in a decent way when using a GUI like
- >the finder. Just try to rename a list of files with named
- ><blahblahblah>.FORM to <blahblahblah>.FRM. And let's assume
- >you have a list of 25 files. 'Lot of work for the GUI user ...
-
- Maybe for a *GUI* user, but not for a Macintosh user. This
- can be handled by a simple drag-and-drop application.
-
-
- >Proof?! A real UNIX hacker wouldn't care for those studies
- >anyways; they would stick to their CLI and be happy with it!
-
- In other words, who needs facts when we've got (uninformed) opinions.
-
-
- >And if you don't remember the name correctly, "even" the Finder's
- >find command will get you nowhere...
-
- Wrong. Obviously, you've never used System 7. You don't have to
- remember the entire name to use Find. It's enough to remember
- part of the name, or the file's (exact or approximate) creation date,
- or the modification date, or the file type.
-
-
- > Right, but you have to at least remember part of the filename.
- >Finding a file on other systems, however, is as powerful and
- >easy as on the Mac.
-
- Really? You should try using the UNIX "find" command sometime.
- It's actually faster to type in a much of "ls" commands to find
- the file yourself.
-
-
- > Sure, if you have 100's of programs, you'll have trouble
- >remembering their names. But the average user will most
- >definitely use maybe 5..10 programs. Should be no big deal
- >to remember those names or approach them with aliases...
-
- First of all, most Mac users I know use a lot more than
- 50 or 10 programs. Maybe you're confusing us with PC
- users? Secondly, it may not be a big deal to remember
- a few names, but what about all the options that go with
- those names? Let's see, what does the -b option do with
- the foo utility? Creates a backup file? No, it deletes
- one -- I was thinking of the bar utility.
-
-
- >>Turtles have shells. Computers don't. (See below.)
- >
- > Bull^H^H. I mean: wrong :-)))))))))) Why bother with names if
- >they have become a standard?! You wouldn't worry about your
- >"mouse", since everybody calls it that way, although it
- >actually shouldn't be eaten by your cat :-))))
-
- A "mouse" looks like a mouse. It has a body, a "tail,"
- some even have ears. A PC "shell," does not look or act
- like a shell. Now if you could hold it up to your ear
- and hear the ocean, that would be different.
-
-
- > Names like "FINDER" or Interface do?
-
- The finder finds thing. That's simple enough. An interface
- is "the place at which independent systems meet or interact."
- That's what the dictionary says. So, what's the problem.
-
-
- >Jochen Wolters | jochenw@POOL.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
- >--------------******* America, vote Clinton! *******------------------
-
- Interesting. Why is it that Europeans are always crying that
- "American should not interfere in the affairs of foreign nations"
- but never hesitate to tell America how it should run its government?
- I wonder how many indignant, self-righteous replies I'd get if
- I tried to tell you to vote for in the Danish elections.
-
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