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- From: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.ORG
- Subject: Re: DISCUSSION: Maximum transmission speed via phone lines
- Message-ID: <1992Aug25.141323.7020@tssnext.rmNUG.ORG>
- Reply-To: <bruce@TotSysSoft.com> (Bruce Gingery)
- Organization: Total System Software
- References: <2x_nkwq.wolfgang@netcom.com>
- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:13:23 GMT
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- wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke) writes:
- : andreas@didymus.rmi.de (Andreas Fassl) writes:
- : : after hearing about the planned speed for V.FAST (I think app. 28800 bps)
- : : I tried to find an article in a german magazine about the maximum
- : : possible speed for phone lines published some years ago.
- : : I have in mind something about 120 kbps (maybe more) using the full
- : : frequency available on phone lines.
- :
- : Here is an earlier post, simply Shannon and some noise figures I deemed
- : reliable:
- :
- : Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- : Path: mork!wolfgang
- : From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
- : Subject: Shannon revisited
- : Message-ID: <#qajc8mwolfgang@netcom.com>
- : Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 03:23:43 GMT
- : Organization: Netcom
- :
- : Here are some noise figures taken from the ATT Tech Journal, May-June 1984:
- : Central Office C-Message Weighted Metallic Noise (dbrnC):
- :
- : Urban 10
- : Suburban 17
- : Rural 19
- : Bell System 15
- :
- : Here I converted these numbers into the maximum possible data rates assuming
- : the modem transmits at -9 db and the maximum legal loss allowed on phone lines
- : that is 16 db, so receiving at -25 db. Data rates are in bps:
- :
- : Urban 30488
- : Suburban 26940
- : Rural 26011
- : Bell System 28126
- :
- : These are 90th percentile figures, so that 90% of callers in the category
- : given can expect the data rate given. I assumed 3000 Hz for the bandwidth.
- :
- :
-
- I've barely had a minute to follow these posts, but find the figures intrig-
- uing, and seemingly realistic. It would appear that for better speeds, one
- needs to look into direct or optical service... To extend the above bps table
- can anyone confirm these figures I've gathered, or pass back better precision
- for the ones which are quite general? Perhaps I've missed some.
-
-
- 57600 bps (Max normal rs-232c/v.35 speed/x.25PDN with x.31 hookup)
- 64 kbps (Nominal DDS, LATA suport --DS-0 1-voice path)
- 112 kbps (SprintNet -- still available?)
- 128 kbps (LATA support/DDS/ASDS/T-1 M24-AT&T)
- 256 kbps (LATA support/DDS/ASDS/T-1 M24-AT&T)
- 384 kbps (LATA support/DDS/ASDS/T-1 M24-AT&T)
- 512 kbps (LATA support/DDS/ASDS/T-1 M24-AT&T)
- 768 kbps (LATA support/DDS/ASDS/T-1 M24-AT&T)
- 1.53 mbps (ISDN basic speed)
- 1.544 mbps (T-1 -- DS-1 takes 24 voice paths)
- 2.048 mbps (10BASE-2/10BASE-5/10BASE-T/RS-449/v.35/RS-530/x.21/x.25)
- 3.152 mbps (T-1C -- DS-1C 48-voice paths)
- 4 mbps (nominal token ring/DECnet)
- 6.312 mbps (T-2 -- DS-2 takes 96 voice paths)
- 9922048 bps (Ethernet - nominal 10mbps)
- 16 mbps (nominal token ring/DECnet)
- 44.736 mbps (T-3 -- DS-3 takes 672 voice paths)
- 51.84 mbps (Bellcore SONET)
- 274.760 mbps (T-4 -- DS-4 takes 4032 voice paths)
-
-
- Oh, and does anyone have the standard Appletalk rates handy? Thanks.
-
- Bruce
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