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- From: tigger@nbrwh72.bnr.ca (Jeff Skinner)
- Subject: Mother Nature (was : Vegetarianism)
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:54:11 GMT
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- Peter -
-
- Thanks for your comments on my last effort. If I may quote your original
- post with respect to the definition of environment :
-
- _]>"Environment" just means "surroundings". Surroundings have
- _]>to surround someone, namely the person uttering the word "environment".
- _]>This person is the one who has desires. If this person can change his
- _]>environment, drastically, to better serve his desires, isn't that a
- _]>good thing?
- _]
- _]You're right, of course--that's the sensible, though prosaic, way to look
- _]at it. But you won't find the greens agreeing with you. On the face of
- _]it, their convictions seem odd to you and me--why should a merely physical
- _]system somehow have its own value, its own justification; why should "the
- _]environment" be a good in itself, quite apart from man?
-
- Websters definition reads as follows :
-
- ENVIRON - v.t. to surround, to encompass, to encircle, to envelop. -MENT
- n. that which environs, external conditions which determine
- modifications in the development of organic life.
-
- Apparently "just surroundings" is a little short as a definition of the
- "E" word. I think "just surroundings" might be a fair description of
- , say, a room in a Best Western hotel on I95. (Although once you turn
- on the TV it would certainly be fair to describe it as an Environment)
- Is the placenta to fetus perhaps a more sufficient metaphor for the
- relationship of the human race to their home planet than a travelling
- salesman to motel unit ? Isn't describing the global biosphere as
- a "merely physical system" kind of like calling St. Peter's in Rome
- "an old bungalow" ?
-
- I take your point regarding the Gaaian hypothesis as a kind of neo
- pagan religious movement. This is probably a fair description. I would also
- like to make it clear that I find it intriguing, but DO NOT subscribe to
- it as some kind of dogma. We are running into the old question here
- of what is and is not science? It's usually tackled experientially :
- i.e : Quantum Mechanics is science (who would disagree with that ?),
- medicine is science (some murmurs of dissent from the gallery) psychology
- is a science (a deafening chorus of raspberries from down front). No
- dispute from me that Biosphere as sentience is not only NOT science NOW
- but probably never could be . The problem for me
- is that this disclaimer also applies (IMHO) to ANY philosophical
- statement which engages at a level of meaning (metaphysics). So if we
- can only get respect for propositions that qualify (by consensus) as
- science things are going to get a tad dry here.
-