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- From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
- Subject: Re: What does "Male-dominated society" mean?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.024228.23288@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- References: <1993Jan20.181338.22062@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> <1993Jan23.201246.9736@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan24.010521.28434@smds.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:42:28 GMT
- Lines: 47
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- In article <1993Jan24.010521.28434@smds.com> rh@ishmael.UUCP (Richard Harter) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan23.201246.9736@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
- >
- >>And yet we keep seeing posters maintain that there is a
- >>cultural/societal proscription against violence towards women. How
- >>does it work, then, that men and women in fairly equal numbers abuse
- >>their mates, but there is a proscription in favor of women but not in
- >>favor of men?
- >
- >Quite simply and, it seems to me rather obvious. Men direct most of
- >their violence against other men. If one counts all cases the target
- >of male violence is more likely to be male than female by a ratio of
- >about 3 to 1. If one excludes domestic violence then the ratio is
- >more like 10 to 1.
-
- But the discussion (and apparently the view held by several posters)
- is that men have a cultural/societal proscription against violence
- towards women, while women don't have a similar proscription against
- violence towards men. As far as I know, you're the first to start
- talking about male violence against men.
-
- >>By this reasoning, it appears that women are much
- >>better at controlling their violence than men, since men commit
- >>violence in spite of a proscription and women commit violence in the
- >>absence of one.
- >
- >There are a lot of missing and hidden premises in that sentence.
- >What is true is that violence outside of domestic settings is almost
- >exclusively a male activity and is generally targeted against males.
- >Within domestic settings violence is more nearly egalitarian. Make
- >of that what you will.
-
- Very few missing and hidden premises that are relevant to the
- discussion about proscriptions against violence towards women.
-
- >>This nearly sounds like a moral superiority of women
- >>that a few feminists suggest.
- >
- >Indubitably, if one accepts that non-violence is morally superior.
- >It is well known, for example, that rabbits are morally superior
- >to wolves. Ask any rabbit.
-
- As far as I know, this discussion has been about domestic violence and
- who takes the offensive. We haven't really gotten into the discussion
- of whether the women and men are fighting back abusive mates or just
- hitting them because they can.
-
-