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- From: chris@chrism.demon.co.uk (Chris Marriott)
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- Subject: Re: Re : To the moon.....
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:31:40 +0000
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- In article <PAULI.RAMO.93Jan24190410@vipunen.hut.fi> Pauli.Ramo@hut.fi writes:
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- >In article <74006@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
- >
- >The *thrust* is not a problem, after getting to LEO. If you have less
- >thrust, it only takes a little longer to get to the Moon. In fact, you
- >could make both TLI and LOI with only one OMS (or even RCS) engine, if
- >you had enough fuel to it and it lasted a long continuous firing. The
- >problem is the amount of fuel needed.
- >
- >There is a simple equation to calculate the amount of velocity change
- >for a given amount of fuel and mass of vehicle:
- >
- > dv = ln (m/m0) * I
- >
- >where
- >dv = velocity change
- >m = initial mass (with full tanks)
- >m0 = mass without fuel (empty tanks & payload)
- >I = the impulse of the engine used
- >
- >With chemical rockets, I is some thousands of m/s. For example, the impulse
- >of SSME is about 4400 m/s. With SRB's it is lower.
- >
- >For a complete trip to moon and back, you must sum the velocity changes
- >needed in it's various parts together and use that to calculate your
- >fuel requirements. Unfortunately, I don't have the exact requirements
- >for TLI, LOI, TEI and EOI on hand (maybe someone can help me here), but
- >even LEO requires a total velocity change in the order of 9000 m/s.
- >
- >Thus, to only get to LEO with a single stage booster equipped with SSME's,
- >you had to have the mass ratio of about 7.73:1. That means that of the
- >initial mass of the vehicle, 87% had to be used as fuel just to get to
- >LEO, and the remaining 13% would include all the tanks and engines for
- >the fuel.
- >
- >If someone has the velocity change requirements for the rest of our trip
- >to moon, we can continue this little number game.
- >
- > Pauli
- >--
- >Disclaimer fault - lawyers dumped
- >
-
- Your equation is too simplistic - it only really applies either in the
- absence of gravity, or if the velocity change occurs instantaneously
- (ie, an "impulse"). If the fuel is burned over a finite time, you
- have to take into account the losses due to gravity and (if in atmosphere)
- friction.
-
- For example, if you have a rocket on a launch pad, and that rocket
- produces <1g of acceleration, it can burn all its fuel, but its velocity
- will stay at zero!
-
- Best wishes,
-
- Chris
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