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- From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
- Subject: Re: Space based combat--the next frontier
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:30:43 GMT
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- From fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
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- In article <C1D842.95p@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Brian Lane <NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> writes:
- >Let's say that two sides have somehing the size of a naval destroyer out in
- >deep space somewhere. how close would they have to be before radar could
- >pick the other ship up, how about passive sensors (what kind of sensors
- >would they be?)?
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- Radar detection would depend on how much power one wished to put into
- the signal: Range scales as the fourth root of power. A low power system,
- similar to current aircraft systems, might range out to ~200 km. A
- higher power system might extend this to ~1000 km before power consumption
- became unreasonable. However, you should also consider ladar: A radar-like
- system using laser instead of radio energy. Such a system would extend
- range, but at the cost of a narrower region scanned (or a longer time to
- scan over the entire sky...) The issue is also confused by the possible
- developments of stealth technology over the 50 years you are thinking of.
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- As for passive sensors, the real question is one of observation time and
- sensors: A modern astronomer, with a good infrared telescope, could
- detect such a ship out to an unreasonable range (millions of kilometers),
- but the search would take a few weeks to cover the entire sky. What
- another warship (which, presumably, wouldn't have delicate, large
- telescopes on board...) could do in a reasonable time, is a different
- question. The background is also improtant: If the ship wasn't in
- deep space, but had a planet in the background (e.g. is it were
- in a lower orbit than the searching ship), passive detection above
- the planet's emissions wouldn't be realistic. I think IR would be
- the best choice for passive detection, since a ship of the
- size you suggest would have to use (and therefore, eventually,
- emitt as heat/IR radiation) somewhere between tens of kilowatts and
- a few megawatts. Worse, the most effective heat rejection systems
- concentrate the heat: Instead of a 1000 m^2 area radiating at 250 deg
- K (a cool, dim source), you might have a 10 m^2 radiator panel at
- 800 deg K ( a hot, bright source.) On the other hand, an unmanned
- craft using little power would be very hard to detect passively.
-
- >How close would they have to be to get an adequate fire
- >control solution? (I assume the energy weapon they'r using (laser or some
- >other energy weapon) would have a longer range than the fire control.)
-
- Well, a pointing accuracy of 1 arcsecond is probably the best that could
- be hoped for. For a 100m sized target, that would imply ranges of
- about 20,000 km (i.e. well beyond active detection ranges).
- Lasers, however, have another limit: Difraction. Beyond a range of
- (roughly) the laser optics' diameter squared divided by the wavelenght,
- the beam will start to spread and power will decrease as the inverse
- square of range. (I.e. a 10 micron IR laser using 5cm diamerer wide
- optics will start to spread after (0.05m)^2/(10e-6) = 2.5 km. Higher
- frequencies do much better: A 100 nm UV laser from the same sized
- optice would travel 250 km before spreading. Also, the laser is still
- effective as a weapon after the beam begins to spread, but it's intensity
- (and therefore the damage it would do) starts to drop off rapidly with
- range.
-
- Frank Crary
- CU Boulder
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