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- From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
- Subject: Re: Domestic Aircraft
- X-Submission-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:01:31 CST
- References: <airliners.1993.71@ohare.Chicago.COM> <airliners.1993.89@ohare.Chicago.COM>
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 02:59:46 PST
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- In article <airliners.1993.89@ohare.Chicago.COM> Michael Weiss writes:
- >
- >In article <airliners.1993.71@ohare.Chicago.COM> kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:
- >>Also, where did this international stuff come from? United planned
- >>to use the 777 to replace the DC-10 on *domestic* routes, with the
- >>747-400 and 767 (both -200 and -300) used for long international
- >>routes.
- >
- >This had me wondering something. Clearly, aircraft with long ranges (such as
- >the 767, 747, DC-10, etc., etc.) can be flown directly from the US to any
- >nation, so delivery is no more complicated than flying to the appropriate
- >country. What about the shorter-range aircraft, like the 727 and 737? How
- >do they get from the US to, say, the middle east? Are their ranges just long
- >enough to make it from New York to London?
-
- Every class and model of airplane has specific operational guidelines. EROPS
- (extended-range operations) is an acronym that describes the regulatory en-
- vironment. These apply to any airplane, in varying degrees of severity,
- regardless of whether it's a 737-500 or a 747-400. For a twin, for instance,
- the major issue is the reliability of the engines: for a trijet or four-
- engined jet, a major issue can become the ability of the airplane to withstand
- a cargo fire. The objective is to establish a functional, statistical
- "equivalency" of safety among all types operating a given route structure.
-
- Note also that EROPS isn't necessarily concerned with over-water operations:
- there are large areas of Asia, for instance, which would not satisfy legal
- requirements for an alternate airport, with even a 120 minute alternate
- envelope: runway length, quality of instrument approach, weather reporting,
- and emergency services must all be considered.
-
- Four-engined airplanes tend to set the "gold standard," for perceived
- reliability reasons. Thus, airplanes like the 747 may fly anywhere within
- their legal operational envelope (i.e., source->destination + alternate)
- without special aircrew or airplane certification. Three-engined aircraft
- have slightly tighter limitations, but may similarly be flown without special
- operational requirements.
-
- Two-engine airplanes have the tightest restrictions of all, requiring very
- high, demonstrated engine reliability, and a high degree of systems redun-
- dancy, to bring them up to a demonstrated equivalency of established wide-
- body aircraft. Special aircrew and operations-department training is also
- required for this type of flying. Extended-range twin operations is often
- referred to as "ETOPS."
-
- Ferry operations, which you refer to, are simply a subset of a generic EROPS
- class, minus the unique particulars which might qualify an airplane for max.
- range. Obviously, this changes from airplane to airplane, but, yes, for
- long-range delivery flights, there is no alternative but to stage it in
- short hops, the length of which is contingent upon the capabilities of the
- particular airplane and the crew available to make the flight. There are
- plenty of short-hop alternates between Europe and the United States. Even
- light singles can be safely ferried, but extra attention must be paid to
- survival equipment, avionics (communications), and weather. The latter
- has been discussed extensively on rec.aviation over the past couple of years,
- where a couple of pilots have actually done this.
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- Robert Dorsett
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