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- From: hsu@acuson.com (William Hsu)
- Subject: Re: Yamaha E1000 vs Sony TA-E2000ESD
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.012054.24173@acuson.com>
- Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
- References: <1993Jan21.181248@lamisun6.epfl.ch> <1993Jan26.013543.5249@lsican.uucp>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:20:54 GMT
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- michael@Canada.lsil.com (Michael Smith) writes:
-
- >>4) Are the two extra channels in Yam worth it ? Are they missing on the Sony ?
-
- >The two extra channels on the E1000, I believe, are just duplicates of the rear
- >channels. Note that I haven't verified this! The Dolby Pro-Logic specification
- >only defines four channels:
-
- > Left Main
- > Right Main
- > Center
- > Rear
-
- >Although there are two rear speakers, they are mono. The E1000 can mix the
- >two front effect channels into your front speakers. I haven't heard much of a
- >difference with this option compared with all 7 speakers.
-
-
- From what I could deduce from the Yamaha literatures, my understanding of
- how the "effects" channels work differs with the above statement.
-
- While it's true that Dolby ProLogic only specifies four channels described
- above, the E1000/A1000 also does additional DSP processing from the output
- of the ProLogic decoder to "simulate" a specific sound-field environment.
- This is true for the modes 35mm Theatre (Dolby ProLogic Enhanced), 70mm
- General Theatre (Movie Theatre General), and 70mm Adventure Theatre (Movie
- Theatre Adventure). The regular Dolby ProLogic mode does no additional DSP
- processing.
-
- Now for the four other video modes (Rock Concert Video, Classical/Opera
- Concert Video, TV Drama, and TV Variety/Sports), a "directional-enhancement"
- circuitry is used to incorporate the use of center channel (much like Dolby
- ProLogic), but it does not follow Dolby ProLogic specs. And the output of
- that is fed to the DSP for sound-field simulation.
-
- The 16 music modes bypasses the Dolby Prologic/directional-enhancement
- circuitry (because it doesn't use the center channel) and only uses the DSP
- chip.
-
- The output of the DSP is front mains, center (where appropiate), front
- effects, and rear effects. The front mains and center are unaltered as far
- as the DSP chip is concerned. So the DSP generates sound-field information
- based on its inputs and puts them out on the "effects" channels. Now for a
- 5-channel setup, there is the option of mixing front effects channel with
- front mains so you only have two main speakers in the front. The other
- option is to use a 7-channel setup where the front main gets unprocessed
- signals and the effects speakers produces effects only.
-
- If you imagine what Yamaha had to go through in order to obtain the
- sound-field parameters for the DSP chip, it would make sense that front
- effects channels are NOT the same as the rear effects channels. Yamaha
- claims that they did thousands of on-site measurements (w/ a
- omni-directional microphone) to obtain sound-field parameters. Surely the
- signals coming from the back side of a concert hall is DIFFERENT from the
- signals coming thru the front.
-
- As to whether the effects channels are mono or stereo, that I don't know.
- I tried to play a single-freq test signal that outputs only to one channel,
- and I listened to the rear effects speakers. Both speakers generated a
- "processed" version of that signal, but I'm not sure if the output levels
- were the same. From that experiment, I concluded that the effects are mono.
- After pondering about this question a little more, it kind of makes sense.
- If Yamaha took their measurement in a (left-to-right) symmetrical listening
- environment, and the test output is a point (mono) source, then all the
- reverb and ambiance signals coming off the symmetrical environment would
- have equal L+R levels. Please correct me if you think this is not the case.
-
- William
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