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- From: shamrake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Danil Suits)
- Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
- Subject: Re: What is so terrible about doubling offshape?
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:30:47 GMT
- Organization: Zansellquasure Flamarion Bridge Club
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- Summary: What *are* expert methods?
- Keywords: Double
-
- Me? step in between Bob and Boyin? Not really; I'm just
- trying to find out if I am completely off base here...
-
- As I read it, the cause of the argument is not so much
- about hand evaluation as it is about methods. Since my
- expert opponents play a style similar to what Boyin assumes,
- I have a few questions about Mr. Silverman's comments.
-
- The important stuff comes after the hashes. Feel free to
- skip this next bit.
-
- Mr. Silverman:
- --Noone is afraid of making offshape doubles. There are SYSTEMS that
- --use them. But if you are going to make a **takeout** double, then you
- --MUST have support for unbid suits.
-
- I had always understood that standard expert practice was to use
- (1 suit) X
- as EITHER 'takeout' or a hand too strong to take another action.
- A hand too good for an overcall, for example, would under these
- agreements double, then bid the suit freely later. Am I that
- off base?
-
- Mr. Silverman:
- --Noone has suggested pass on the given hand. 1S and 1NT are both
- --reasonable. But a double is ridiculous. You can't handle a diamond
- --response from partner.
-
- On many player's cards I see the 1nt overcall marked as 15-17? Do
- experts play the bid that way? I seem to remember that Bergen prefers
- 14-16. Over either of these ranges, using the principle above,
- doubling then bidding notrump is very reasonable.
-
- I must of course cede that double is far out when the notrump
- overcall range covers this hand.
-
- Not really relevant to the discussion but...
-
- Mr. Silverman:
- --I would also like to finally ask why you consider pass criminal?
-
- Criminal is rather strong, but passing does seem like a deep
- position to take. This is the bast hand at the table. Will it
- be easier to come in later? Do you really
- want to give the opponents the table over a 3rd chair opening?
-
- In summary, it seems to me that both Silverman and Boyin are bidding
- reasonably *given their preferred agreements*
-
- ---------------------
-
- Welcome back.
-
- So let us talk theory.
-
- I think many of us (me too!) can use this hand as a learning
- experience. Forgetting blame for the moment, let us consider
- instead the alternative bidding styles expressed so far. Is
- one of these markedly superior to the other?
-
- What I'd really like to see here is a discussion of what is
- in literature. No offense intended Bob, but I don't trust
- Boyin's experiences either. Don Varvel is the usual net.librarian;
- can you dig out some answers for us?
-
- As a sidelight, has anybody else given consideration to the fact
- that a lebensohl sequence would have helped here?
-
- P P 1H (X or 1NT)
- 2H 2NT* P 3C
- P 3D
-
- Danil
-
- --
- It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly a shot rang out! The maid
- screamed. A door slammed. Suddenly a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
-
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