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- From: boyiny@minkowski.mit.edu (Professor Who?)
- Subject: Re: What is so terrible about doubling offshape?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.202701.1201@galois.mit.edu>
- Summary: A rebuttal...
- Keywords: Double
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- Organization: Ayatollah's Correct Bidding Lessons
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:27:01 GMT
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- Bob Silverman's usual, this time directed at me... Since we all know what
- Bob thinks of my bidding theory, it is probably better for Bob to avoid
- reading what follows for the sake of his blood pressure:
-
- [About that 4-4-1-4 19 count over the 1H opening.]
- >>Why is everyone so afraid of offshape doubles? .... Bad things may happen.
- >>...lose big perhaps--... but I consider pass bordering on the criminal
- >>no matter how many experts do it.
- >Noone is afraid of making offshape doubles. There are SYSTEMS that
- >use them. But if you are going to make a **takeout** double, then you
- >MUST have support for unbid suits.
-
- Tell that to any expert who does "equal level conversion"--- Kit Woolsey,
- Marty Bergen, Steve Robinson perhaps. There _are_ tournament report hands
- that I have seen in which their partner misjudged for a big loss.
-
- >Did it occur to you that experts play the way they do because long
- >experience has shown that this is what works? Nah! of course not.
-
- Experts play the way they do mostly because they've been taught that way,
- or because it is the fashion, and for any other reason that people stick
- with "common" methods, and for the additional reason that they can outplay
- and outdefend the fish by half a trick a hand in pair games and need be in
- better contracts less. [Me, being rather less able in that department,
- prefer to do more in the bidding. If you want to argue about this, Bob, go
- take it up with Edgar Kaplan, whose excellent magazine I am sure you also
- subscribe to-- he said it, I didn't.]
-
- >Noone has suggested pass on the given hand. 1S and 1NT are both
- >reasonable. But a double is ridiculous. You can't handle a diamond
- >response from partner. Being willing to "lose big perhaps" some of
- >the time is just plain losing bridge because it is unnecessary.
-
- Bridge is a probabilistic game. Everything is only determined to the point
- of likelihoods until you see all four hands. If you will show me a BOREL
- simulation that demonstrates double to lose imps (or MPs) against pass in a
- non-trivial fashion, Bob, perhaps I'd be more inclined to listen-- you'll
- be surprised with the ease I accept my own errors in judgment. But saying
- that taking (big) risks is wrong because you can play it "safe" is
- nonsensical, because risks are relative-- Low of Total Tricks users often
- have the doubled high partscore wrapped around them, yet they do it anyway
- because it shows a net gain (at least according to them).
-
- >Your attitude is foolish. Experts play the way they do because
- >it works. Saying that you refuse to do something no matter how many
- >experts do it is silly.
-
- See above-- shall I tell old Edgar that he should give up weak no-trumps
- because 90% of the US bridge scene doesn't like it? Should I tell you to
- give up Roman Club since no one besides you (and perhaps me, I guess) knows
- it in the States? Unlike marching to a band, sometimes the many _can_ be
- out of step with the few when science is being discussed.
-
- >I would also like to finally ask why you consider pass criminal?
- >The posted hand had mostly DEFENSIVE values AGAINST a heart contract.
- >On its own it had a minimum of 5 defensive tricks against hearts.
- >Your claiming that a pass is criminal shows a strong lack of hand
- >evaluation skils.
-
- I think that a pass is suicidal because love all is the worst score for
- what is at best a marginal trap pass. The hand is so strong (at least
- HCP-wise) that 1H may very well become the final contract! Since the
- opponents are not vulnerable, the defense will need to come to at least 8
- tricks in 1H to beat a making 1S/2C--- not likely, is it? Whatever you may
- think about double (and you left us in no doubt, Bob) you have to admit
- that it gains when you strike a black suit fit, which is not all that
- unlikely, but Pass only gains over 1NT exactly when 1H and 1N both go down
- and there is no fit-- bloody unlikely, so pass is a "zero bid", a bid
- clearly inferior to 1NT, and thus should never be taken into consideration!
-
- Oh yes, and my planned action if partner responds 2D over my double. I
- plan to pass(!) since partner is likely to have five (lots of people, if
- not most, respond 1S with 3-3-4-3 or such) and I will merely be back where
- the 1NT bidders are. [Think about it, with that 1-2-6-4, you'd try to get
- to diamonds-- probably three-- over a no-trump overcall wouldn't you?]
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