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- From: adri0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
- Subject: In response to Sheila King
- Message-ID: <adri0001.728180805@student.tc.umn.edu>
- Summary: I'm telling you, we need to make some changes!
- Keywords: Education
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- Organization: University of Minnesota
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:26:45 GMT
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- >continued to Amarit:
-
- Amrit, I insist :)
-
- >-> What was he doing? I would like to see if I might be able to offer
- >-> an alternative to this whole book system you use...
-
- >Well, that would be fine. The boy was just making outloud little
- >comments. In other words, talking outloud every few minutes, trying to
- >be funny, class clown, making remarks on things I said or on things
- >other kids said. And I told him, when I talked to him, that I liked to
- >have fun in class, too. And I thought he was funny. And I like to be a
- >bit flexible. But enough was enough, and he would have to stop now and
- >control himself a little better. (Those were not my exact words, but
- >something to that effect.)
-
- I'm not really sure what I'd do in that situation. It's not too difficult to
- see that the student was "causing a disruption" but these disruptions are
- generally caused by boredom because obviously the child felt what he was
- doing was in fact better than what you were doing, as it amused him. Again,
- I cite the problem as being that the student did not find what he was
- "learning" very enlightening. I cannot offer you any suggestions as I had
- said I might, however. Quite frankly, the way I teach, I don't run into these
- situations becuase in general, the student learns and the student enjoys learn-
- ing what he is learning in my class...I have done very little lecturing...but I
- have done a lot of work to keep up with the interests that my students have had
- in the past.
-
- >You are correct that with our system the way it is set up right now, the
- >different subject areas seem very compartmentalized to students.
-
- ..and what have you done personally to change this situation?
-
- >However, I don't think that letting a kid work on his spanish assignment
- >in my math class teaches him that math and spanish have anything in
- >common. This situation could be corrected, but I think it would take a
- >re-written curriculumn designed to integrate the different subject
- >areas. Simply deciding to let kids work on a different subject in my
- >class doesn't show them at ALL what that other subject has to do with
- >math.
-
- I am not saying we should arbitraily allow students to do Spanish in a
- math class...but I am saying that we should do just what you suggested...
-
- >This situation could be corrected, but I think it would take a
- >re-written curriculumn designed to integrate the different subject
- >areas.
-
- >Now, sometimes I do bring up other curricular areas in class. Not
- >often enough to say that I do it with any regularity. But usually when I
- >do, it has something to do with math. THAT has a lot more to do with
- >showing them how the disciplines are interelated.
-
- Did I ever suggest that we should just arbitrarily allow them to do what they
- wanted? No, I am addressing the problem, and I am actually trying to change
- it. If you continue to operate in the compartmental classroom (your words)
- then what good are you doing by not helping change it? Try and implement
- a new curriculumn instead of just sitting idly by watching students cycle in
- and out of your compartment leaving "enlightened" by what they learned...
-
- >-> I can list hundreds of examples where english and MATH come
- >-> together...just ask...
-
- >Well, go ahead. But I do often give examples of english in my math
- >class. Particularly since I teach geometry, which is a very verbal
- >branch of mathematics. But does letting my students read MacBeth in my
- >class teach them how english is useful in the study of math?
-
- No...did I ever say that letting them read Macbeth in your classroom teaches
- them how english is useful in math? Did I imply that? Hmm...maybe since the
- wording wasn't quite right...but I am saying now that I never will and never
- have been an advocate of allowing students studying math to try and learn how
- to find the area of a cylinder by reading Macbeth.
-
- >continued, next message
-
- ditto...
-
- --
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