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- From: adri0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
- Subject: In response to Sheila King
- Message-ID: <adri0001.728180728@student.tc.umn.edu>
- Summary: it's not working!
- Keywords: Education
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- Organization: University of Minnesota
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:25:28 GMT
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- Sheila King writes:
-
- >More to Amarit:
-
- Amrit :)
-
- >-> What exactly is a valid reason?
-
- >Already mentioned above, the student has a slip. Sometimes, however,
- >even if the student doesn't have a slip I may think the explanation
- >for tardiness is reasonable. How can I possibly give you a list of what
- >"valid reasons" are to me? It varies, and I consider each one on a
- >case by case basis.
-
- But do you consider the fact that the student is simply not interested in
- what you are teaching and that the student does not feel he/she has any
- place to tell you that because you seem to have so wantonly declared your
- authority in the issue?
-
- >-> What do you think the student learns when he/she is sitting in
- >-> detention?
-
- >Well, if the student is as intelligent as you and I, he will find
- >detention a silly waste of time, and hope to avoid it in the future. So
- >the student will learn, that the behavior which earned him the
- >detention should be avoided if he wants to not waste his own time.
-
- ...and if your class is viewed as a waste of time, then the student is in
- a no-win situation...it's go to class, which he/she may not want to do, or
- go to detention, which he/she may not want to do...what is the student to do
- but for the sake of remaining sane, simply accept the conditioned behavior as
- truth, and do as he/she is told.
-
- >-> How do you know the student has understood the cause of the
- >-> detention?
-
- >By talking to the student at the time I decide to give him the
- >detention. Understanding is very important to me. I'd rather not give
- >any detention at all, than give one and have the student not
- >understand what it's for.
-
- ...what I understand the detention as is conditioning the student to "like"
- your class for the sake of you and the other students, all of whom (all but
- you that is) have no say in what you are "teaching."
-
- What subject and grade do you teach?
-
- >-> That's really great! You have scared the living daylights out of
- >-> your students and you know...they're coming to your class on time not
- >-> because they like your class, or because they are actually interested
- >-> in learning, but because they don't want to have to spend any more
- >-> time than they have to at school and in the track of learning.
-
- >The above is absolutely NOT true about me, my class or my students. They
- >are NOT scared of me, they LIKE my class (they have TOLD me so) and
- >you can come visit some time if you'd like to see for yourself.
-
- ALL of them have TOLD you that they like your class? I am not talking about
- a select few that have told you they enjoy your class. That's really great,
- that a few kids like your class. Heck, there were a few classes I liked when
- I went through school, but there were others I did NOT LIKE AT ALL...yet, I was
- forced to take the damn class because I _had to_. You know, in order to get
- all my graduation requirements for high school, I was forced to take a physical
- education class when I wanted to take a philosophy class. I ran track and
- cross country all four years in high school, and yet, the state and the board
- of education saw fit to see that I took that semester of gym so that I could
- get my diploma and say:
-
- "Look ma...I'm now educated!"
-
- This is WRONG! To me that philosophy class would have been much more
- productive and may even have helped me do better during the first semester of
- my freshman year in college when I had a philosophy class that covered some
- of the same material the class in high school covered. Not all your students
- like your class, and to assume so is absurd.
-
- >-> Sorry, but I certainly couldn't resist the chance of my slight
- >-> sarcasm.
-
- >Try a little harder next time. I really didn't appreciate it.
-
- I didn't mean to offend you, and if I did, I apologize.
-
- >-> No it should never REQUIRE a punishment. These are kids and they
- >-> should be allowed to BE kids.
-
- >These are adults-in-training, and in the real world inappropriate
- >actions have very real consequences. The law is the law.
-
- Adults in training, eh? Well, the educational system is failing if that's what
- we're trying to get at. These are not adults in training...no Sheila, these
- are kids-in-learning. And what about the "law is the law"...do you get to
- vote? Do you get to influence that law? Do you get to protest that law? Does
- a student enjoy that same right? No, because a student is an adult in
- training, right?....that's a circular answer and one that I get often.
-
- >More next message
-
- ditto ....
-
-
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