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- From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Integratel Forcing Charges Through
- Message-ID: <telecom13.42.2@eecs.nwu.edu>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 07:00:41 GMT
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- X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 42, Message 2 of 14
-
- > Our room was recently billed for $90 worth of collect calls from
- > Integratel despite the fact that Lehigh University supposedly traps
- > collect calls to student rooms. ...
-
- TELECOM Moderator noted:
-
- > But let's face it; you, or someone with access to the phone in your
- > room did agree to accept collect charges, ...
-
- Given the thick layer of slime with which Integratel seems to be
- coated, it's not at all clear to me why anyone should accept their
- claim that someone actually accepted any collect calls. Given the
- exorbitant amount, I'd suspect that either someone called an 800
- number for which Integratel handles 900-style collect billing and they
- billed back with or without the consent of the caller, or it might
- just be completely bogus.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
-
-
- [Moderator's Note: Well, there has to be *some basis* for putting the
- charges through. There can be errors in billing, misunderstandings,
- etc, but the charges cannot be made up from thin air. Someone had to
- say something or the operator had to think they did. It would be total
- fraud if no one consented to anything. The telcos dislike the extra
- work Integretel causes their customer service reps, and most claim
- they only deal with Integretel because of divestiture requirements. If
- fraud were proveable, they'd drop Integretel in a minute, with the
- judge's blessings. Integretel needs the LEC's to bill for them; they
- are too smart to cross the narrow, thin line they walk between legal
- activity and fraud.
-
- An Integretel executive did tell me the company was 'probably' going
- to begin recording the consent to collect charges in order to combat
- the reverse fraud which is quite prevalent in the phone-sex industry.
- It seems a lot of people do make use of 900/976 phone-sex services
- knowing the rates and routines very well yet later try to deadbeat out
- of the charges by playing the role of the Injured and Defrauded
- Consumer Who Knows His Rights. Integretel thinks that tape recording
- the five or ten second authorization request by the operator and the
- subscriber's response should put an end to some of this. ("This is
- the Integretel operator, I have a collect call for XXX at this number
- from YYY, will you accept the charges at $?? per minute?" -- subscriber
- says yes or no and the operator cuts out of the connection.) Although
- the clients of Integretel are mostly sleaze and you may say there
- should be a plague on all of them, I suspect a lot more customers
- defraud them than the other way around, from a legal perspective. PAT]
-