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- From: jbatson@cayman.com (Jay Batson)
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- Subject: Re: Low cost ether/isdn brouters (was PC-NFS PPP Serial/ISDN driver wanted)
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 14:34:55 GMT
- References: <1993Jan21.151029.13640@gandalf.ca>
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- In article <1993Jan21.151029.13640@gandalf.ca> dcarr@gandalf.ca (Dave Carr)
- writes:
- > In <1993Jan21.012021.8668@informix.com> johng@informix.com (John Galloway)
- writes:
- > >Just 2x64k (uncompressed would be ok), with real router sw (SNMP, RIP, ARP,
- > >OSI?) rather than a filtering bridge is what I want. However it can be
- > >oriented to a very small net doing quite simple routing (i.e. its not due
- > >to a vast LAN at my house, but the fact that I, may, want a different
- network
- > >then the other end of the bridge, that makes me want a router rather than a
- > >bridge).
- >
- > Interesting. Could you tell me more. With ISDN, we are basically talking
- > about a point-to-point link. Our view is with the right software mods, you
- > can get the desired performance out of a bridge. The trickiest part is the
- > handling of multicast and broadcast. If we can eliminate these packets
- > without doing the entire routing function, do we have what you need?
-
- Besides the very crucial point made above (that you want two different network
- numbers on either side of the link), most routers do tons of other things, such
- as "encapsulation" of one protocol in another, e.g. AppleTalk in IP for people
- who mandate IP-only networks. This is typically called "tunneling", and
- requires routers at each end that are each configured to know about the tunnel.
- The devices at each end mostly have to be routers because the various
- psuedo-standard tunnelling implementations use routing protocol info to
- accomplish their goal. (The routing tables themselves are not particularly
- complex - a packet is either local or remote for most single-WAN-port
- routers....) Tunnelling is only one example - other features might include
- filtering based on service type or device name (vs. network #), which requires
- a fairly tall stack for the protocol in question. Such features are growing in
- number and are supported by more and more router vendors.
-
- I'll concede that at some point, the line between complex bridges and simple
- routers blurs, but usually bridges slip in features without adding complete
- stacks. Routers maintain complete stack and protocol info, and router vendors
- are aggressively using the resulting flexibility they get, of course at a
- cost....
-
- > Over digital links, do you need CRC32?
-
- The phone companies must think so. Many T1 lines now use something called an
- "Enhanced super frame", which adds a CRC to the traditional T1 frame.
- Remember, over long distances even digital pulses start to look like analog
- pulses, and errors can creep in. Another question to ask might be "Who needs
- to do the error detection/correction, and why?" It depends on who is supplying
- the service, and what problem they are trying to address.
- --
- Jay Batson
- Product Marketing Manager
- Cayman Systems, Inc.
- jbatson@cayman.com
- (617) 494-1999
-