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- From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
- Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.023842.11756@sophia.smith.edu>
- Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
- References: <1juactINN4ph@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> <1993Jan24.213358.10067@sophia.smith.edu> <1jvevlINN4va@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:38:42 GMT
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- In article <1jvevlINN4va@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu>
- chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
-
- [Discussion:
- Searle -> dogs conscious? -> dog pain -> dog beliefs, desires, &c.]
-
- >That is a different question. You are no longer asking if dogs are
- >conscious, but about the complexity of and variety of the objects of
- >their consciousness ([...]). I haven't read Searles' book, but
- >from what you said about it it seems that all he is saying is that
- >dogs are conscious.
-
- This raises an interesting question: suppose we established
- (somehow) that a particular species experienced pain, but otherwise had no
- mental life -- no other aspects of what we normally gather under the
- "consciousness" umbrella. Would it be accurate to call these creatures
- conscious? If not, then arguing that a dog feels pain does not suffice
- to establish that dogs are conscious.
-