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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:46:16 +0100
- Sender: Node Management <NODMGT-L@UGA.BITNET>
- From: Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: _possible_ death of BITNET
- In-Reply-To: Message of Thu,
- 21 Jan 1993 17:43:52 GMT from Node Management <NODMGT-L@UGA>
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- On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:43:52 GMT Roger Watt <rwwatt@WATSERV1.UWATERLOO.CA>
- said:
-
- >I've never been a devotee of communication via NMR, but I think the
- >unsolicitied file transfer is already a "done deal". MIME now gives me
- >the ability to include an arbitrary file as an "attachment" in the body
- >of an RFC822 mail object and send it to you in an RFC821 wrapper, and
- >(if your mail-reading tool supports MIME too) gives you the ability to
- >save the received "attachment" into a file of your choice. If that isn't
- >"unsolicited file transfer", it is pretty darned close.
-
- This is what the Internet/unix community would like executives to
- believe, and it seems that so they at least partially succeeded. But the
- reality is very different:
-
- 1. This only works for unix or PC files, which are streams of bytes. But
- then who cares about obsolete non-unix systems?
-
- 2. I have measured the transfer rate of this facility between a large
- Sparc server (4 Sparc-2 CPU's if I am not mistaken) and a VM system on
- the same ethernet, at 3 in the morning. The VM system was the sender
- and the program to send the file was written in a compiled language;
- the program was almost entirely I/O bound and as you know IBM systems
- are pretty good at that. On the unix system I used MH with the MIME
- patches. The transfer rate I got was 2 kilobytes per second (obviously
- FTP was in the hundreds of k). File transfer? File crawlser is what I
- call it.
-
- 3. SMTP does not generally allow you to transmit files larger than a
- certain amount of bytes. There is obviously no way to know how many
- bytes you can send without trying and guessing (I know a new revision
- of SMTP is supposed to fix this, but I'm not holding my breath). In
- practice it means you have to keep the segments at around 50k because
- this is what seems to work in most places. Your average executable
- file or backup saveset will be split into dozens of 50k segments, each
- of which will congenially beep your terminal when it arrives. Once you
- feel confident that all 31 little pieces have arrived, you can run
- your MIME program to attempt to reconstruct the original file and be
- told that one is missing.
-
- What a huge step forward from the old days of these ridiculous punched
- card machines! I'm glad we're getting rid of this obsolete technology
- soon so we can all enjoy the superior Internet protocols.
-
- Eric
-