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- From: Christopher Currie <ccurrie@CLUS1.ULCC.AC.UK>
- Subject: Re: I don't know much history ...
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- >
- >
- > Yesterday morning I went to the grocer's , because it's
- > empty there at 8 am. Still, I was forced to listen to a tune
- > from the loudspeaker system, containing the line quoted
- > above, as well as several more also starting with "I don't
- > know".
- >
-
- Yes, and it seems appalling that German shoppers should have to be
- subjected to muzak in English.. and at 8 a.m. Or perhaps Walter is
- giving us an on-the-fly translation.
-
-
- > Afterwards, I found here the well argued note by Mr.Marvin
- > on the uselessness of Yes-No-questions in examinations and
- > on the importance of learning to write in-class essays.
- >
- > However, I would have expected that the writing of such
- > essays is taught in high school, during the years between 14
- > and 18. Similarly, I was between 12 and 13 years of age when
- > I learned "Hastings - 1066" (in the English class of
- > my German high school - and that during WW2).
-
-
- Yes, and at that age one did multiple-choice questions as well as
- writing simple essays. In other words the basic data were absorbed
- at an age when it's easy to pick up such things, so that the nuances
- and qualifications could be taught at an age when one is mature enough to
- appreciate them.
-
-
- >
- > Should it be the case that such basic data and skills are
- > not taught at school, should it be the case that the line
- > from that song is not meant ironically but that it reflects
- > a wider attitude - would it then not be necessary that the
- > academic community press for a change of that attitude ?
-
-
- So they should. But standards, at least in these respects,
- have been declining in British schools since the 1960s and in US
- schools from somewhat earlier. The vulgar pressures first for
- 'levelling down' and then for 'market-oriented' education have
- led to academics' selling the pass not once but repeatedly. In
- many British universities I believe it is no longer necessary to
- have a reading knowledge of a foreign language to secure admission
- to courses in other subjects; it is certainly not necessary to
- read at least two foreign languages, as was required at the time
- I got in to university. The secondary school to which my children
- will go if they are in the local public system at the time teaches
- only one foreign language - French - and that not to the level
- required for University entrance.
-
-
- I have also heard that language teaching in schools in the
- Netherlands, which used to be outstanding, has deteriorated in
- the last ten years or so. Perhaps George Welling could refute
- that for us.
-
-
- >
- > Children, which apparently do not know the basic data. Are
- > the books in their school's library so bad that they cannot
- > find the answer there ?
-
-
- Almost certainly the books in the school's library have been stolen
- or fallen to bits. Book buying (for both school and public
- libraries) is one of the first things to be cut when budgets are
- squeezed. In university and college libraries, it is not uncommon
- for 120 students to be competing for four books.
-
- Christopher Currie
- ccurrie@ulcc.clus1
-