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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST
- From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates)
- Subject: January Hunt Results
-
- ***********************************************************
- * *
- * Results of the January, 1993 *
- * *
- * INTERNET HUNT *
- * *
- * (long message: about 1,000 lines) *
- * *
- ***********************************************************
-
- This month we have winners in the individual and team
- categories.
-
- The individual winner is:
-
- John Berens
- University Librarian
- Olson Library
- Northern Michigan University
- Marquette, MI 49855
-
- John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry
- dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST
-
- And the team winners are:
-
- The Panix.Hunt Team
- Panix Public Unix Access of New York
- New York, New York.
-
- The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry
- dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST)
-
- Congratulations to all the winners!
-
- Note to the Players
- -------------------
-
- Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of
- how it's done. For those of you requesting your individual
- scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight. I
- will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27).
-
- Statistics
- ----------
- Total entries: 18
-
- Total individual entries: 15
-
- Total team entries: 3
-
- My Comments about this Hunt
- ---------------------------
- 1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt. I set
- myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking
- down. If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni
- De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota
- question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize.
-
- 2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of
- responses. Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to
- connect to their home gopher server. This made it tough to
- retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is. While I
- could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be
- difficult for others to follow their searches.
-
- What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to
- double check that they are including the hostname and port for
- their home gopher server so that others can follow in their
- footsteps.
-
- 3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of
- winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the
- size of this document is getting out of hand. What I think
- I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each
- question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little
- known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-)
-
- Very Inventive Veronica
- -----------------------
- Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities. Precedence is
- left-to-right, with no nesting operators. It is
- case-independent. When you access Veronica read the About file
- for explanations.
-
- When I tried it, a search on
-
- christmas
-
- ...yielded 90 entries, and a search on
-
- christmas and tree
-
- ...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right.
-
- Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the
- extra functionality.
-
- Another Home for the Hunt
- -------------------------
- Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me
- with a Gopher for Hunt distribution. Now, rather than having
- to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them,
- players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make
- them available.
-
- The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US
- gophers. If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my
- preference, certainly), here are the details:
-
- Name=The Internet Hunt
- Type=1
- Port=70
- Path=1/hunt
- Host=gopher.cic.net
-
- Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet.
-
- So now, without further delay, here are:
-
- The Hunt Answers
- ================================================================
- 1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
- Czech?
-
- Individual Winner's Answer
- --------------------------
- Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok.
-
- Search strategy:
- telnet panda.uiowa.edu
- 4. Online Information Services...
- 12. Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace...
- 2. Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?>
- index word: holiday
- 130. holiday-greetings
-
- Team Winner's Answer
- --------------------
- >telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \ or, of course, use a gopher client
- >login: gopher / directly
- >choice 9, The World
- >choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers
- >choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace
- >choice 2, Search ...
-
- Index word...: christmas
-
- choose article 140. Merry-Christmas.
-
- For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year"
- in Czech is the following:
-
- Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
-
- Other Answers
- -------------
- What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key
- words except merry.... I tried merry and got a hit... why
- didn't christmas work? It does now!!!
-
- TurboGopher
- Home Gopher Server
- Other Gopher and Information Servers
- Search Gopherspace using veronica
- Search on keyword Merry
- produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains
-
- >From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991
-
- MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many
- languages!
-
- Czech Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
-
- ================================================================
- 2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?
-
- Individual Winner's Answer
- --------------------------
- Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology
- Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses:
- NET-T1: 161.93.0.0
- NET-T2: 161.94.0.0
- NET-T3: 161.95.0.0
- NET-T4: 161.96.0.0
-
- Search strategy:
- telnet nic.ddn.mil
- @: whois
- whois: toyota
-
- Team Winner's Answer
- --------------------
- ANSWER (reynolds): Telnet to nic.ddn.mil
- (panix) % whois toyota
-
- TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
- PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0
-
- TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
- PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0
-
- TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
- PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0
-
- TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
- PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0
-
- Toyota College of Technology
- (NET-TOYOTA-CTNET) TOYOTA-CTNET 133.85.0.0
-
- Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI)
- TOYOTA-TI 133.21.0.0
-
- Toyota, Yasuo
- (YT11) apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (DSN)
- 233-5821
-
- To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx
- is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name,
- which comes first.
-
- Other Answers
- -------------
- The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes,
- you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases
- (nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to
- the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to
- nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src
- database. Then you can search for toyota.
- (Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-)
-
- -----
- 1. telnet archie.au
- 2. login: netfind
- 3. Seed database lookup
- 4. Seed database search
- 5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota
-
- The answer is
-
- fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan
- toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
- tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development
- laboratories, inc, japan
-
- -----
- Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota."
- Results:
-
- Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
- PLANNING DIV.
- Phone: 161.93.0.0
- E-Mail: TOYOTA-COM1
- Source: whois@nic.ddn.mil
- Ident: NET-TOYOTA-COM1
- Last updated: (unknown)
-
- [Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...]
-
- [etc....] Answer: Yep!
-
- -----
- telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais
- select "domain-organizations"
- search for "Toyota"
-
- This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following
- <D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information:
-
- %D fk.toyota.co.jp
- %O toyota motor corporation, japan
- %H tmclab
-
- %D toyota.co.jp
- %O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
- %H qe
-
- %D tytlabs.co.jp
- %O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan
- %H milab elmlab iclab robotics
-
- [Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated
- that they were not directly connected to the Internet. What I
- was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but
- reachability via some method. This is the kind of simplistic
- question that reference librarians get all the time.]
-
- ================================================================
- 3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
- HATE the editor I have for my mail. It's called vi. So I
- found another editor that I can use called emacs. Emacs is
- supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
- up a little. Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
- more experienced emacs users?
-
- Individual Winner's Answer
- --------------------------
- Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
- groups that cover emacs. Two of the broadest are
- emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet. You can post
- questions about emacs to these and other lists and
- experienced users will respond.
-
- Search strategy:
- telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
- 9. The World/
- 1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/
- 8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
- 2. Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?>
- index word: listserv
- 36. Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
- groups <?> index word: emacs
-
- Team Winner's Answer
- --------------------
- ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs
- newsgroups. My guess is the first one.
- ** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
- comp.emacs: 1-6486
- gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50
- gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838
- gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79
- gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950
- gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072
- gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113
- gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680
- gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184
-
- (jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this
- information came from? If so, you can say ``grep emacs
- /usr/lib/news/active'' or something. A better answer might
- be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most
- authoritative one around) and grep through that.
-
- >** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
- >comp.emacs: 1-6486
-
- Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely
- overlapping. comp.emacs might be a better choice as the
- question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs.
-
- Other Answers
- -------------
- While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB
- document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the
- host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu.
-
- FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from
- directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET
- newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving
- help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It
- also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET
- newsgroup
-
- ================================================================
- 4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?
-
- Individual Winner's Answer
- --------------------------
- Answer. Some sexual activities are safer than others.
- Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual
- lifestyle in a number of ways. Hugging, massaging, and
- mutual masturbation are absolutely safe. French kissing,
- oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a
- condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe. Any
- sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a
- condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects
- used in sexual stimulation are unsafe.
-
- Search strategy:
- telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
- login: chat
- select an information file: aids
- ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing?
-
- Team Winner's Answer
- --------------------
- ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca
- login as "chat"
- select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog:
-
- Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse:
- Aids from kissing?
-
- [Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...]
-
- ================================================================
- 5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
- was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals. I
- wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'. Can you
- find his email address for me?
-
- Individual Winner's Answer
- --------------------------
- Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
-
- Search strategy:
- telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
- 9. The World/
- 7. Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/
- 4. Internet-wide e-mail address searches/
- 2. NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel>
- 2. Search
- enter person and keys: poli padova
- select domains 3 4 5
-
- Team Winner's Answer
- --------------------
- ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below.
- (tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind
- site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug
- again, using choices: 9,7,4,7)
-
- login: netfind
- choose "2. Search"
- Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy
- (Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3)
- Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
-
- (I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I
- had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got
- back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't
- included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".)
-
- (rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is
- "depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it". I got this by sending the
- command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a
- mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"
-
- Other Answers
- -------------
- [Rick: The following looks like the best answer.]
-
- Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as
- netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the
- unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and
- wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of
- someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?):
-
- SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it
- Login name: depoli
- In real life: Gianni De Poli
- Directory: /users/noi/depoli
- Never logged in.
- No Plan.
- SUMMARY:
- The most promising email address for "poli"
- based on the above search is
- depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it.
-
- There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet
- (and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?)
- clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the
- address depoli@dei.unipd.it.
-
- A small investigation revealed that mail for
- depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola
- (allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and
- the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales:
-
- [paola.dei.unipd.it]
- User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
- depoli Giovanni De Poli 7:31 *co giulia.d console
-
- So (with a little guessing) the real answer is:
- depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious
- about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always
- drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the
- network find the best delivery method unless I have hard
- evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine
- part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !)
-
- -----
- 1. telnet archie.au
- 2. login: netfind
- 3. Search
-
- Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy
-
- There are too many domains in the list.
- Please select at most 3 of the following:
- 0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy)
- 1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy)
- 2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy)
- 3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
- 4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d
- ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy)
- 5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy)
- 6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
- Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6
-
- MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO
- depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
-
- 4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
-
- [anna.dei.unipd.it]
- User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
- depoli Giovanni De Poli 14:46 *co giulia.d console
-
- [Rick: This was a tough nut for me to crack. I still haven't
- finished it yet. It seems there is more than one way to reach
- Giovanni. To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message
- to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the
- following message which doesn't exactly clear things up. Note
- the From: line in the header.]
-
- From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli)
- To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
- Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt
-
- Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is
- depoli@dei.unipd.it
-
-
- END OF PART I
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