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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!PLAINS.NODAK.EDU!SACKMAN Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:21765EDT@MSU.BITNET> Approved-By: EDTECH Moderator <21765EDT@MSU.BITNET> Message-ID: <EDTECH%93012312031753@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.edtech Approved: NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:58:17 EST Sender: EDTECH - Educational Technology <EDTECH@OHSTVMA.BITNET> From: Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu> Subject: January Hunt Results PT. II (fwd) Lines: 531 JANUARY HUNT RESULTS PT. II Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates) Subject: January Hunt Results ================================================================ 6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim. Search Strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 7. The Researcher/ 4. Social Sciences/ 4. CIA World Factbook <?> index word: somalia 3. Somalia Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70 choice 6, Library choice 6, Electronic Reference Books choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991 choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991 choice 2, Somalia Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher! Other Answers ------------- 1. telnet quake.think.com 2. login: wais 3. goto 351: [ cmns-moon.think.com] world-factbook 4. search for somalia The answer is Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim ----- ! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher. ! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search ! on SOMALIA ! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia. ! Full Gopher technical entry listed below Name=Somalia /Gutenberg/factbook/S/ Type=0 Port=70 Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu ================================================================ 7. (4) I understand that the Net is being put to use distributing information and pictures of missing children. Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet. On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com. More information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX 78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 2. Other Internet Systems and Databases/ 8. Search FTP Sites (Archie)/ 1. Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?> index word: alt.missing-kids 2. cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place to look. The "official" site for the gifs (they have hundreds) is "halcyon.com". The gifs (and related files) are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs". anonymous ftp to halcyon.com cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif Other Answers ------------- On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all newsgroups. I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using this as a keyword for archie I got this menu: Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1 cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/ --> 1. missing-child-gifs. This file contains the following: I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34. INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM or Fquest. RIME: The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs. GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the GIFs are available to you. ----- [Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems like valuable information for those interested in pursuing this topic.] ! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and ! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that ! I located pertaining to a database being planned. This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST. SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social Responsibility, Inc. CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an educational and distribution center on the issue of missing children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said. To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET: drittner@uacs1.albany.edu OR UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM OR home 518 374-1088 snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308" ================================================================ 8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of different foods? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from Agricultural Handbook No. 8. There are more than 20 files of data. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/ 8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/ 2. Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single keyword <?> index word: nutrition 1. Nutrition Information/ 1. Nutrient Data/ 2. Data/ 2. SR10/ Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10 The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format. cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins datalist -- contains ordering information of database information datadesc -- contains file format of data filedesc -- contains file descriptions of the files. Note: The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to read filedesc to figure which file goes with what. Other Answers ------------- Telnet University of Minnesota gopher: consultant.micro.umn.edu. Select 9 (other), 2 (search Veronica) and search "nutrition". Select 1 (nutrition information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4 (hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat). It was necessary to look at the Readme files in the final selection options before making the correct choice. [Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most database managers and spreadsheets.) ================================================================ 9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 6. The Library/ 3. Electronic Books and Other Texts/ 15. Historical Documents/ 1. Amendments Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org cd /pub/academic/civics file is called constitution.us COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu [Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.] ================================================================ 10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net. What kind of computer and operating system is nnsc.nsf.net? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX. Search strategy: telnet nic.ddn.mil @ whois whois: host nnsc.nsf.net Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (des): % whois nnsc.nsf.net NSFNet (CIC2) Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET Address: 128.89.1.178 >>>>> System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX Coordinator: Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM (617) 873-4143 domain server NSFNET End-User Support Record last updated on 26-Mar-92. To see this host record with registered users, repeat the command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to show JUST the registered users. % HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have this information. (nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax handy right now. Other Answers ------------- [Rick: I think the following is the best answer] Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1 First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5 @WHOIS Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET ! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET ! says. Extra info provided such as who to contact with ! questions. NSFNet (CIC2) Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET Address: 128.89.1.178 ! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and ! operating system System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX Coordinator: Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM (617) 873-4143 domain server NSFNET End-User Support Record last updated on 26-Mar-92. ! Last update 26-Mar-92? Let us check to see if we got all ! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more ! details. Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get: SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net) ! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a ! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed ! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation ! system. login: sync SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992 ----- Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185). Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results: > nnsc.nsf.net Name: NSFNet Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Address: 10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET, Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178, System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X, [etc...] [Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running Unix. The information above is more specific, and thus received more points.] ================================================================ Extra Credit. (1) Where can I find the exact time? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives you the current time as read from the National Bureau of Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Search strategy: telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS) 4. Databases and Information Services 7. Weather/Time/Earthquakes 3. National Bureau of Standards Time Service Team Winner's Answer -------------------- HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good site probably is the United States Naval Observatory. (rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock: AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly. The phone # is 1-202-653-0351. I don't know if there is internet access to this. (des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the question, as it bypasses the Internet. I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp (Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock: louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3) Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE >>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix Service area: NSFNET, SURA region Access policy: open access Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu) Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in the introductory message: % ftp louie.udel.edu Connected to louie.udel.edu. 220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server! 220- 220-Anonymous users: 220- 220- Please do not upload any image files. 220- 220- Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays. 220- We are on the east coast of the United States. 220- Local time is Thu Jan 7 18:45:59 1993. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (jhawk): [sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime Trying 128.175.1.3 ... Connected to louie.udel.edu. Escape character is '^]'. Thu Jan 7 19:27:41 1993 Connection closed by foreign host. Rick's Answer ------------- telnet a2i.rahul.net login: guest choose t and you get a running readout.. >> Current time Hit ^C to abort... Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993 etc... choose f for Interesting features and you will find the following explanation: The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network Time Protocol. It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds. (Select "t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.) Other Answers ------------- The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any computer on the Internet has by telnet hostname daytime. The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as "exact" as you need. For example, telnet india.colorado.edu daytime gives: Trying 128.138.140.44 ... Connected to india.colorado.edu. Escape character is '^]'. Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993 Connection closed by foreign host. ----- Also found with the help of Veronica: Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific) Type=0 Port=70 Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date Host=whistler.sfu.ca or if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol (NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time updated via the net. ----- Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference. [Rick: Another tricky extra credit. I knew the service at tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised. The Network Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local host is as accurate as they could want. I believe the service mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over the network. If I find more info, I'll post it later.] ================================================================ Mystery Question ---------------- Howdy, I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question. I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu Answers ------- Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992) To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu". ----- ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard. (ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu ----- Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard directory. Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no longer have it. What they do have in /pub/music/info are the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's. ----- [Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on the term "billboard". It yields: --> 1. (dir) Billboard Charts/ --> 9. jan23.1993/ --> 1. CHART: US Top10 (1/23) ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gleason Sackman BBS: sackman@sendit.nodak.edu Coordinator Internet: sackman@plains.nodak.edu SENDIT - NoDak's K-12 Telcom Network Bitnet: sackman@plains.bitnet BOX 5164, NDSU Computer Center Voice: (701)237-8109 Fargo, ND 58105 Fax: (701)237-8541