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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:27 -0700
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- From: "William T. Powers" <POWERS_W%FLC@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>
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- [From Bill Powers (930127.2030)]
-
- Bob Clark (930127) --
-
- I have a lot of things to say about economics, Bob, but I'd
- better postpone them a while. I'm going away for 10 days starting
- Feb. 7, and Wolfgang Zocher is about to spring a very nice
- version 4 of Simcon on the world which I want to help get
- distributed, and I'm working on the 7-df arm model, and the
- chatter on the net never ceases.
-
- Just a brief word. My father has done a lot of research on the
- factual record of economic phenomena, comparing it with basic
- theories, and has found that the basic theories are almost total
- nonsense. Examples: when money is made tight, the rate of
- inflation goes UP, not down. The analogy of national savings to
- savings of families is completely wrong. What economists use as
- an indirect measure of national savings really represents a loss
- of buying power out of the national economy. Industry has spent
- 20 +/- 2 percent of its total income on capital investment
- percent every year for the last 100 years; you can't jazz up the
- economy by increasing investment. And other goodies. His approach
- has been the macroeconomic one, and I've become very interested
- in it. Economists pay very little attention to the facts.
-
- From the macroeconomic point of view, taxation has essentially no
- effect on the economy. Those who object so strongly to taxes seem
- to forget that the government spends its tax income AT LEAST as
- fast as it receives it. Most of the money taken in is handed
- right back, although redistributed, becoming buying power in the
- hands of the public and industry again. What changes is who gets
- the money, and that's a microeconomic problem, or a problem of
- social justice, or politics. Maybe taxing one industry
- discourages that industry, but another one gets the money and is
- encouraged. The best place to put tax money is in the hands of
- poor people, because they are sure to spend it all right away,
- and not hoard it or leak it away in bad investments outside our
- economy. It's the people who don't spend all of their income on
- goods and services in this economy who are responsible for most
- of our problems. Those tend to be the people and organizations
- who make so much money that they can't possible spend it all on
- goods and services.
-
- Control theory gets into macroeconomics by explaining what keeps
- the circular flow going.
-
- Later.
- --------------------------------------------------------------
- Avery Andrews (930128.1120)
-
- >In general, I think that current linguistic theories should be
- >regarded as just being resources that are out there, and that
- >from a PCT perspective, one should just take whatever insights,
- >if any, that they might seem to offer. And, at the moment, I
- >see Motor Control as a *much* higher priority target.
-
- You're probably right.
- --------------------------------------------------------------
- Best to all,
-
- Bill P.
-