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- From: XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:00:21 -0800
- Organization: Stanford University
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- In article <1k6fj9INN1lg@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
- stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
- >In article <1k4tkrINNo5q@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
- >>In article <1k1dc2INN8tn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
- >>stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
- >>>For instance, it would be acceptable for a business, not to pay one empolyee's
- >>>benefits for health insurance, while paying another employees, and give no
- >>
- >>A contract of any sort comes into existance only when the terms are
- >>acceptable to both sides. Why should anyhone else besides the
- >>direct parties to that contract be able to dictate to those parties
- >>what acceptable terms are?
- >
- >That is not my point- if a employer is to have full decision making power over
- >his business- then it is quite OK for him/her to discriminate at any given time.
- >If for instance he decides that he doesn't like employee A, even though A's
- >work is excellent, he can do things like, stop paying their health benefits or
- >maybe reduce their salary at any given time.
-
- This is utter nonsense. Would you go to work for someone who made
- it clear that under the terms you were being hired your
- compensation package could be changed at any time without advance
- notice? I doubt it. Ans I doubt that many other would either.
- Stability in our job situation is actually sometimes of greater
- importance to us than the monetary value of the package. Note that
- unions spend a great deal more of their negotiating time over work
- rule issues including the circumstances under which a union member
- mnay be terminated. And, of course, salasry and benefits can only
- be changed as part of a newly negotiated contract. Even exempt
- personel are made promises ab out salary and benefits which are
- covered in the writing in employer policy manuals. An employer who
- tried to change these policies without the notice promised in the
- policies themse4lves would find themselves in court in short order.
-
- >So the point is- if we have non-discrimination laws, then they become part of
- >the contract between employee and employer. And therefore the employer cannot
- >simply fire or cause trouble for an employee if at a later date the employer
- >discovers that A is gay, lesbian, bisexual, or a mormon.
-
- If an employer hires anyone grounds for termination should be
- clearly specified either in a contract or employment policy manual.
- If the employer later tries to terminate that employee for any
- other reason he or she has grounds for a "wrongful termination"
- suit against that employer. The employer should have the right to
- specify strange reasons for terminating people. The employees
- should have the right to say that those terms are unacceptable.
- A point of mutual satisfaction must be negotiated. There are other
- ways to discourage employers from discriminating than passing
- anti-discrimination laws, in other words without violating the
- employer and employees from indepently negotiating terms of mutual
- satisfaction to them.
-
- /June
-