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- From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
- Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.objectivism
- Subject: Re: An Observation
- Keywords: Ethical Problems,Marginal Problems
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 15:27:46 GMT
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- sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski) writes:
- >In article <C10oz7.19G@newcastle.ac.uk>, Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes...
-
- >>Oh for heaven's sake. I was going to leave this alone, but:
- >> There is a clear implication that there would be less unemployment
- >> less squalor, and less crime under a more laissez-faire government.
- >> There is no evidence to support this; it is derived from theories
- >> of politics and economics that are unproven, and embraced because
- >> they are simple and give believers a warm fuzzy feeling that they
- >> understand complex systems of relationships.
-
- > Nonsense. There is plenty of evidence out there if you will
- >look at it.
-
- There's evidence for almost any position you care to name; it just
- depends on which correlations you assume to be causations, and which
- kinds of evidence you drop as being due to experimental error.
-
- > Take Hong Kong, for example. No minimum wage laws, and
- >no unemployment problem. The lowest rung is always there to allow
- >people to develop marketable skills to get further up the ladder.
-
- So is there a causal relationship? What happens when the wage
- offered for a job is less than that needed to live on (and the
- person can't get two jobs)? The trouble is that people's needs
- tend to be a step function at the lower end (too little and they
- sicken and die).
-
- > Consider that there is a historical connection between
- >Wars On Drugs and crime rates. Consider the difference in quality
- >between government and private schools. Consider the failure of
- >Welfare.
-
- Consider that crime rose during the time that there wasn't a War
- on Drugs as well; consider the connection between crime and
- poverty. Consider the difference in education quality between
- those countries with public education and those without. Consider
- the failure of countries without welfare to maintain the peace.
-
- > There is plenty of evidence.
-
- On all sides.
-
- > And now Michael Rothschild's
- >_Bionomics_ provides one hell of a convincing analogy between economies
- >and ecosystems. Michael Rothschild was a biologist who had never
- >heard of Austrian free-market economics, but ending up supporting it
- >nevertheless. Be ecologically sensitive to the economy! Don't
- >intervene!
-
- There are all kinds of analogies; sometimes those between economies
- and ecosystems work. Sometimes analogies fail; sometimes species
- become extinct through no lack of suitability or adaptability for
- their environment, but because of a fluke. You can go the whole
- hog, back to social Darwinism or sociobiology; or you can accept
- analogies *as* analogies, useful but of limited applicability.
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