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- From: dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz)
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- Subject: Re: Hobbits in the Undying Lands
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:53:36 -0500
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- In article <1993Jan25.224634.25093@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> slogan@mta.ca writes:
- >
- > I can't back this up at the moment but as far as I was and have been
- >concerned they, being Frodo and Sam were allowed to sail to the Undying
- >lands as they had been bearers of the ring.
-
- Yes, but this raises the question "allowed by whom?"
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- In the Silmarillion, death is Illuvatar's gift to men. Even the Valar
- cannot take it from them.
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- Does this mean that Illuvatar personally intervened to allow Frodo, Sam,
- and Bilbo to enter the Undying Lands? Certainly it is beyond the
- authority of the Valar to grant this.
-
- Also, note that this is a truly incredible gift, one not given to any
- of the heroes of the First Age. (And I would think that, were it possible,
- Beren at least would have been granted the gift, if only as a gentler
- solution to Luthien's dilemna.)
-
- Finally, a question. If the ringbearer had been a man instead of a
- hobbit, would he too have been granted admission to the Undying Lands?
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