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- Subject: Re: Government and religious freedoms
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:58:38 PST
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- In <nate.1121@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>, Nathan Engle writes:
-
- >J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
- >> Here's an observation I've made several times, and I direct it toward
- >>those who oppose private school vouchers while favoring federally funded
- >>abortion.
-
- > That's not me, but I have something to say here.
-
- >[big snip]
-
- > Just for the record: I favor vouchers for private schools, and I'm also
- >in favor of keeping abortion safe and legal--but I don't want the government
- >to fund it.
-
- > The thing that I'm curious about is how you reconcile the position
- >of favoring vouchers for private schools while opposing funding of abortion.
- >It seems to me that your position is just as flimsy as that of the people
- >who favor funding for abortion but oppose vouchers. I'm obviously biased on
- >the subject, but I would have thought that the only thoroughly consistent
- >positions are to either oppose government funding of both (which, for the
- >record, is where I stand), or to favor funding for both (the ultimate "Big
- >Government" position).
-
- From the standpoint of government funding, I agree with you. I was arguing
- the position from the "religious freedom" standpoint. For despite the rhetoric
- I hear against vouchers (Paying for religion? Aiieee!), the point is that
- *no one* is having their own religious rights abridged. That is not true for
- Pat Robertson, who watches his taxes pay for abortions. My point was that all
- who argue against for vouchers due to "religious freedom" doctrines are often
- missing the point with respect to federally funded abortion.
-
- As an aside, the "religious freedom" argument that fundamentalists can use
- against paying for abortion could also be used by Arab-Americans watching their
- taxes used for aid to Israel, for example. Arab-Israeli conflicts throughout
- history have been primarily religious in nature. Now back to the issue at
- hand...
-
- I used to be against vouchers myself. I thought something wrong about
- government partnership with private enterprise (I never thought religion was an
- issue as long as people of *all religions* can choose for themselves how to be
- educated). But as we see the failures of public education and the stranglehold
- that the NEA has on the public school system, I see no other way out. I think
- education is too important for *all of us* to settle for less than what we
- could possibly have. We spent three times more per student (in constant 1990
- dollars) in 1989 than we did in 1960, and I don't think anyone can claim that
- our schools are better now than they were then (source: U. S. Department of
- Education's "Digest of Education Statistics--1991"). And all we hear from
- the public school bureaucrats is "mo' money, mo' money." I think the evidence
- is fairly compelling that "mo' money" alone isn't the answer as much as a
- shift in attitudes among parents and educators would be.
-
- If I thought the public schools could be fixed, I'd be against private school
- vouchers. But I see no evidence that it can, and I don't claim that my own
- position is 100% consistent. However, I don't think it's as "flimsy" (in your
- words) as the inconsistent positions I commented on before. In any event, I
- think that the argument against federally funded abortions is unassailable as
- a "religious freedom" issue--regardless of how one stands on vouchers for
- education. I've never heard anyone refute it--they just don't comment on it
- or change the subject.
-
-
- Tim Irvin
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