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- From: lrvanh00@nx38.mik.uky.edu (lee r vanhorn)
- Subject: Re: Consciosness and Will
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:45:36 GMT
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- In article <105195@netnews.upenn.edu> kineuman@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Kai
- Neumann) writes:
- > In article <Jan.15.16.18.03.1993.24051@ruhets.rutgers.edu>,
- farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
- > |> In article <C0wq7y.GJG@cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert
- McGrath) writes:
- > |> > The last I heard, electrons haven't been considered "elementary"
- for
- > |> > decades.
- > |>
- > |> Say what!?!? Who told you that tremendous fib? Electrons, to the best
- > |> measurements we are currently capable of, are elementary particles,
- > |> i.e., they have NO composite parts. All they have been able to do is
- > |> put an upper limit on the size of the electron.
- > |> --
- > Ah! particles. How 'bout probability density functions. I think the
- point of contention is mute; how we model reality is wholly contingent
- upon what works. In modern science I doubt anybody really believes that
- particles exist as unconditional, i.e. context free, constituents of a
- pinball universe. So, if we want to talk about elementary particles, let
- us remember that we are referring to a working model efficacious in
- predicting future experiences - I could of said "predicting the world",
- but I/w
- >
- > ivision, although efficacious and inevitable in language, seems so much
- like a model of reality rather than what "is", and that, I contend, is
- "experience" - from which time and being are born.
- >
- >
- > - Kai
- >
- > Probabilism - sounds like a cannibal nihilism.
- > Anyway, its the doctrine that probability is a sufficient
- > basis for belief and action, since certainty is unattainable.
- > It's not my doctrine, although I'm liking it the more and more.
- > It seems kind of anarchic doesn't it?
- > Or maybe its the eternal womb and slayer?
- > Probability/Tiamat. Oh, I like it.
- > I guess Tiamat rises again.
-
- Yep, electrons are elementary particles. Very much so. I have been
- having an arguement on a BBS here in town over physics things.
-