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- From: morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Subject: Re: The Schedule of Classes
- Message-ID: <C1H9DE.Kvr@ms.uky.edu>
- Sender: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center
- References: <1993Jan25.194346.3935@eff.org> <C1GtzJ.23I@ms.uky.edu> <1993Jan26.173707.21844@eff.org>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:10:24 GMT
- Lines: 76
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- kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) wrote:
- >In any case, Berkeley's attempt controls were much broader; they tried
- >to restrict access to the information because they didn't approve of
- >how they thought it would be used.
-
- No, that isn't quite right (as I understand it). According to Eric's
- announcement, he was told by the Registrar that they did not want copies
- floating around without updates. They restricted access because it could
- not <or would not> be properly maintained/updated. There's a BIG difference.
-
- There are only so many ways for a Schedule of Classes to be used. This
- part of the argument goes nowhere.
-
- >[...]
- >>Give us a break, Carl. What good would it do to throw online
- >>copies to whomever wanted them (or throw one up for anonymous
- >>FTP), if those copies will be obsolete within a day?
- >[...]
- >
- >This is not for a unit of government to decide. The government *does*
- >sometimes have grounds to restrict information (e.g. privacy, national
- >security). None of those grounds apply here.
-
- OK, then let's hear your opinion. Of what benefit is an online copy
- of a class schedule that will be obsolete within a day? You can't
- plan your schedule with it, right? If you do, you may very well get
- burned and have to jump through even more hoops to register....yeah,
- that obsolete online schedule was *really* handy......
-
- >>Do you acknowledge that:
- >> - The Registrar's Office is obliged to ensure its accuracy?
- >
- >NO, the government has no authority to restrict otherwise public
- >information on these grounds. If it did, it would be able to restrict
- >*all* government information.
-
- That isn't what I asked, now, is it? I asked if the Registrar's Office
- is obliged to provide accurate class/course information to students. I
- never asked what that obligation *entailed*.
-
- >>perhaps he should be <somewhat> grateful that he doesn't face charges such
- >>as disregarding instructions of University staff in performance of their
- >>duties <he asked permission and was refused, for the very reasons I've
- >>stated.>
- >[...]
- >
- >I don't believe he was instructed not to download the data himself.
-
- True, he didn't ask if he could download it himself. He asked for an
- online copy <via email>. The difference is not particularly significant.
-
- According to his own online statement, he was told that:
-
- a) The Registrar's Office would not give him an online copy
- AND
- b) The Registrar's Office did not want online copies which
- could not <or would not> be kept accurate.
-
- Eric then goes out, snarfs a copy, puts it up for anonymous ftp and
- advertises it. Doesn't it seem as though the spirit of the Registrar's
- wishes were violated, if not their explicit words?
-
- [ Had he just downloaded a copy for his own use, I wouldn't be arguing ]
- [ at all; by setting it up for FTP, he misinformed <with inaccurate ]
- [ information> everyone who used it. ]
-
- I guess that I have to append "so don't do that" to every handout and
- policy document I write, just to have an explicit order, eh?
-
- --Wes
-
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