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- From: <STEVO%URSINUS.BITNET@vm1.nodak.edu>
- Subject: Request for published report exceeeding E*I
- Message-ID: <9301071530.AA27161@suntan.Tandem.com>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:41:48 GMT
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- NOTE: This is being re-submitted due to the note at the end of
- this digest suggesting possible problems with submissions...sorry
- if this is a duplicate.
- SPK...
-
- Jon Webb [webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)] writes:
- >It is permitted in science to give a lower weight to results that have
- >not appeared in the archival literature, which includes both examples
- >you mention above. Has anyone ever published in a journal a result
- >which exceeds I*V? I believe that all the results published in
- >journals have been much smaller effects, which can be explained by the
- >various sources of heat contamination I mentioned in a previous post.
- >
-
- I refer you to the August 1991 Fusion Technology article "Excess Heat
- Productionby the Electrolysis of Aqueous Potassium Carbonate ..." by Mills
- and Kneizys (the present author) in Vol 20, Number 1, pages 65-81.
- In that article, on pages 78-79, there is a table that includes
- seventeen or so Nickel/Potassium Carbonate cells that gave excess heat.
- In that table, we published excess heat result percents that were
- calculated with the 1.48V*I correction, but we also printed the raw
- data so that anyone could draw their own conclusions. Just pulling
- out the data from one of the less productive cells, cell 14, where
- there was stirring, no extra heater power, and Aqueous Potassium
- Carbonate with Nickel cathode. We reported an excess heat of 243%,
- with a delta T of 6.9 C, a cell constant of 14.8 C/Watt, an input
- voltage of 3.08, and a constant current of 85 milliAmperes.
-
- The TOTAL output power is:
-
- 6.9 C /(14.8 C/Watt) = .466 Watts
-
- With the 1.48*I correction, the input power was:
-
- (3.08-1.48) x 0.085 = .136 watts
-
- The excess heat reported was:
-
- [((.466-.136)/.136) x 100] = 243
-
- If we ignore the 1.48*I correction, the total input power is:
-
- 3.08 x .085 = 0.262 Watts
-
- Seems we observed power exceeding V*I by:
-
- [(.466-.262)/.262] x 100 = 78%
-
- And this was from one of the less productive cells.
-
- Jon Webb also writes:
- >Well, Farrell is now claiming 2.5 Watts in, 50 Watts out. He has not
- >published information about the experiment, nor permitted an unbiased
- >observer to view it. It seems to me that this is far less open than
- >many others have been, including people you've been associated with.
-
- While Dr. Farrell does not need me to speak for him, Mills does need
- someone on the Net to speak for him. That person is currently Dr.
- Farrell, and I never read Dr. Farrell say that he was doing the experiment,
- rather that Dr. Farrell was relating Mills current experiment in progress
- for you information. Mills is running a business, and as such has to
- decide when and how to release information...but as well as I know him,
- he very much wants to release all pertinent information after such time
- as his "business" legal rights have been protected.
-
- On a general note, I would generally post much more information, except
- that I am very dissappointed with the tone of this net at times. It
- seems we have far too much personal jabs, and other non-science postings,
- that really don't belong here, and I hate to just add fuel to the fire.
- I have defended the Mills and Farrell theory quite often from ridiculous,
- nonspecific attacks. While I do not believe that they have a workable
- atomic or CNF or HECTER theory, I have heard few (and read less) reasonable
- reasons why their theory is incorrect.
-
- Saying that it violates quantum mechanics is not a valid reason to reject
- a theory. Theories that violate theories are not inherently incorrect.
- Theories that violate experiment results, the laws of physics or the
- laws of mathematics, on the other hand, do have problems. I would be
- happy to discuss the problems I know of with the M&F theory, but I don't
- was to just add fuel to this theory "bashing". Can we all make a slightly
- late New Years Resolution to just stick to the scientific method?
-
- On a humorous note, the acronym I suggest for this whole process of
- excess heat production is Gobs Of Energy From Unknown Sources (GOEFUS).
- But there I've gone and broken my own resolution. Oh, well, I hope
- you all can forgive me.
-
-
- Sincerely,
-
- Steve Kneizys
- Ursinus College
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