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- From: blue@nscl01.nscl.msu.edu
- Subject: Sonoluminescence - certain knowledge?
- Message-ID: <00966330.AB98DB60.10309@dancer.nscl.msu.edu>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:45:42 GMT
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- Could someone set my mind at ease by making a clear statement as to
- what is know about sonoluminescence, ultracavitation, and related
- topics as opposed to conjecture based on doubtful interpretations of
- a very limited data set?
-
- My understanding of cavitation and bubble formation is that it can
- involve a very small move away from equilibrium conditions. All that
- is required is that the local pressure in the liquid fall below the
- vapour pressure. I would assume that the bubble fills with vapour
- on a time scale close to that required for collapse so I don't
- understand why there is any talk about collapse into a "void".
-
- Now as to sonoluminescence, I have the feeling that the conjectures
- have run somewhat ahead of the facts in a chain of reasoning that goes
- something like the following: The emission of visible light from
- a gas implies high excitation energies such as would result from
- temperatures of many tens of kilovolts or higher so we can conclude
- the sonoluminescence indicates conditions similar to high-temperature
- plasmas are being produced in the bubbles. It is but one small jump
- from there to say that this might be a path to fusion. It seems to
- me, however, that this chain of reasoning has several weak links.
- Suppose I suggest as an alternative point of view the notion that
- the observed photons are not produced in the volume of the bubble at
- all, but are instead coming from the boundary layer of the bubble?
- What does the experimental data tell us in that regard?
-
- Why would I think that the light emission is a surface effect? Basically
- because it is something easy to mimmick in the privacy of your own home,
- and it can even be done in your kitchen. Just unroll some plastic wrap
- in a dark kitchen. The layers of plastic film stick together because
- the material is a polar dielectric. When you pull the layers apart the
- surfaces are left with unpaired charges in a nonuniform distribution
- that is then equilibrated by surface discharges. When I form a bubble
- in a polar dielectric liquid might I not produce the same effect?
-
- I have one more question relating of fractofusion, bubbles, and
- non-equilibrium. Suppose by hook or crook I do produce a transient
- electric field in the presence of some deuterons and some electrons.
- What keeps the electrons sitting still while the deuterons accelerate
- to velocities high enough to induce fusion? I have always be taught
- that a mass ratio of roughly 4000:1 would leave the deuterons sitting
- still while the electrons rushed off to cancel the field. Of course
- that is old fashioned theory.
-
- Dick Blue
- NSCL @ MSU
-