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- From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
- Subject: Re: More Nonsense
- Message-ID: <C0FtAr.G6v.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: 6 Jan 93 14:51:59 GMT
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- In article <930105213557_72240.1256_EHL58-1@CompuServe.COM> 72240.1256@compuserve.com (Jed Rothwell) writes:
-
- "It is perfectly okay for me to reject inconvenient facts, I can pick
- and choose the ones I like. McKubre's results, at sigma 90, are not an
- issue: I will only talk about the 1989 work of P&F, and I will never
- mention their more recent work, either."
-
- It is permitted in science to give a lower weight to results that have
- not appeared in the archival literature, which includes both examples
- you mention above. Has anyone ever published in a journal a result
- which exceeds I*V? I believe that all the results published in
- journals have been much smaller effects, which can be explained by the
- various sources of heat contamination I mentioned in a previous post.
-
- The other electrochemist observers agreed at once that paraffin wax
- sheets would be a deadly contaminant. It is precisely because they know this
- sort of thing that they succeed at CF, whereas many physicists fail at first.
-
- The point of the comment about parafilm is that this was what Pons and
- Fleischmann (who are electrochemists) said they sealed their cells
- with in the early experiments. So once again we have two classes of
- cold fusion phenomena; one which works fine in the presence of
- paraffin, and another for which paraffin is a deadly contaminant.
-
- For the record: nobody in this field has been more open, forthcoming, and
- precise in publishing ALL details about their experiments than Dr. Mills. No
- one has offered more help to others than Dr. Farrell. No experiment has
- worked better, or been easier to replicate, than the Mills experiment.
-
- Well, Farrell is now claiming 2.5 Watts in, 50 Watts out. He has not
- published information about the experiment, nor permitted an unbiased
- observer to view it. It seems to me that this is far less open than
- many others have been, including people you've been associated with.
-
- Did it ever occur to you that this kind of silly, irresponsible behavior
- might come back to haunt you someday? Did you ever think, for even a second,
- what might happen to you if these people turn out to be right?
-
- I'm sorry, but this reminds me so much of a statement I saw in the New
- York Times from a Lubavitch Jew about the Moshiach. Well, if you're
- right it's wonderful. But even if cold fusion does exist in some form,
- I'm certain you aren't completely right -- it can't be the case that
- Mills & Farrell and Yamaguchi and Notoya and Pons & Fleischmann and
- McKubre are all right; they have inconsistent experiments.
-
- Still, doesn't it ever occur to you that you are a making public fool of
- yourself, and heading off a cliff for no reason?
-
- I think that if we took a vote here on who was making a public fool of
- themselves, you or Dick Blue, you'd lose.
-
- Tom saw no excess heat, only recombination. He tried to duplicate Mills,
- but he failed. This is not surprising; there are, after all, plenty of
- ways to do this experiment wrong.
-
- Tom got results consistent with Mills's early results (same level of
- heat). So are you now saying that Mills's early results were
- recombination?
-
- -- J
-