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- From: blue@nscl01.nscl.msu.edu
- Subject: New Information from BYU Team
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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:44:13 GMT
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- Recent post by S. Jones relays information provided by Profs. Jensen and
- Palmer concerning the detector used in the first Jones experiment reporting
- low yield neutron production from cold fusion. I had been relying on the
- following statement which I quote from the Czir-Jensen paper:
-
- "Two useful applications for the spectrometer in the capture-spectrum
- mode are: measureing the spectrum of neutrons from fusion experiments
- (particularly the recent cold-fusion experiments where the expected
- neutron flux is low) and measuring cosmic-ray produced neutron spectra."
-
- This is followed immediately by the acknowledgements section which begins
- with:
-
- "We thank Professors Steven E. Jones and E. Paul Palmer for encouragement
- and support in adapting the spectrometer to the present applications in
- cold fusion research."
-
- Profs. Jensen and Palmer now inform me that "The only mode used in the
- experiment was the standard spectrometer mode. Nothing was added to the
- signal. The 'capture-spectrum' was not developed until after the data
- used in the Nature paper was taken. We did use it to investigate the
- nature of the background."
-
- Clearly I was mistaken as to which mode of operation had been employed
- to obtain the spectrum reported in the Nature paper. There do, however,
- remain some questions as to what the reponse function of the detector
- is for neutrons and for gammas. Both Jensen and Palmer in their replies
- refer to spectra obtained at 2.9 MeV and 5.2 MeV as reported in the
- Czir-Jensen paper, but Jones discounts those as calibration spectra in
- favor of some more recent calibrations with monoenergetic neutrons.
- Not only do we seem to be getting differing answers from different
- members of the team, we seem to have a situation in which information
- crucial to the intepretation of the spectra was subject to revision
- long after the experiment was completed. If we are to be convinced
- that the spectrum reported in Nature shows a "peak", it would be nice
- to know whether the detector as operating at the time was in fact
- capable of producing such a peak in response to fusion neutrons. One
- question that remains in my mind is what mechanism accounts for
- the roll-off of the proton recoil response on the low side of the
- peak. Off hand I would expect the response to be close to what is
- shown in the Czirr-Jensen paper.
-
- The next question that can perhaps be laid to rest if I understand
- Jensens reply has to do with the way in which the background subtraction
- was made. Jensen states: "The background HAD to be normalized [Approx
- 4 times more background than foreground hours], but the background
- was featureless and could not generate a peak." I take that to
- mean that the background was scaled in strict ratio in accord with
- the different recording times before subtraction, and no other
- adjustments were made such as matching forground and background in
- a region of the spectrum away from the "peak".
-
- We are still left with the issue of the gamma response of the
- detector and what fraction of the response was in fact due to
- neutrons. From other experiments which employed liquid
- scintillation counters with pulse-shape discrimination to
- separate neutron and gamma response on sees cosmic-ray-induced
- backgrounds showing gamma-to-neutron ratios of something like
- 10E3 or 10E4. Clearly this ratio can be altered by effects
- specific to the surroundings of a given experiment, but I
- see a potential problem in making a determination of this
- ratio with a detector that may well respond with no better
- than a 100 to 1 rejection ratio for gammas. To make that
- explicite let us assume that the true ratio of gammas to
- neutrons is 10E4. Then the detector will respond to gammas
- at a rate 10E2 times the neutron rate. Under those circumstances,
- or something approaching them, how do you tell what the ratio
- of neutrons to gammas really is? Jensen asserts that about 1/4
- of the background is due to gammas, but how does one go about
- making a determination of that number?
-
- Dick Blue
- NSCL @ MSU
-