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- From: Frank Close <FEC%VAX2.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk>
- Subject: Questions to Frank Close: Some answers
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Frank Close <FEC%VAX2.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk>
- Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:44:21 GMT
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- Tom Droege thought I was feeling that ``Tom is not being scientific".
- On the contrary Tom. Your reports on your heat measurements show the extreme
- care that you are taking and, I repeat what I said some months ago, if you
- eventually decide that you have observed a positive phenomenon then it will have
- to be taken seriously. In the absence of a positive heat result, any tests
- for nuclear ``ash" have limited bearing on the central question of whether
- a nuclear process generates measurable heat in the Pd/d system. However, they
- may teach much about natural backgrounds and how to recognise them - an
- essential stage in a project. As you and I well know from experience in
- particle physics, experimentalists ``learn" about their detectors by recording
- cosmic rays, test beams etc in advance of the ``real" experiments.
- I interpret the nuclear measurements associated with your expt to be
- in an analogous ``learning" stage; the ``real" experiment in your
- case will follow if positive heat has been demonstrated.
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- Jed Rothwell claims that ``Jones, Huizenga, Morrison, Close - - - believe
- theory overrules facts". I know that experimentalists often hold
- theorists in awe but I dont recall Drs J,H or M having put us on such a
- pedestal! I certainly have not - show me where I have. While you are looking,
- you should read what I wrote on this in Too Hot To Handle (in the prologue on
- page 3 I think), namely that it is EXPERIMENT not theory that decides
- and that that was a reason why we had to check the CF claims.
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- Jon Webb has it right: it is a question of which ``facts" one accepts.
-
- Chuck; glad you liked the Canadian radio piece on quarks which is the area
- of physics that I have put most of my effort into. You ask if I have said
- anything about ``CF". Well, I wrote 300 pages about it in Too Hot To Handle
- (if you're in Canada you can get it in paperback for less than the price of
- a flask of heavy water and find the answers to many questions that keep
- coming up on the net). It exposes some of FP's actual data as distinct from
- the invention that they published (FP's attorney C Gary Triggs wrote
- to me in November - Douglas Morrison has posted something about this on
- the net. Several net readers have contacted me about this; suffice to say
- that I have told him that I have no doubt about the quality of my sources,
- nor about the evidence in my possession and the consequent claims in THTH.
- For the record, I stand by everything that I have written about that episode).
- As concerns the science, I concluded that there is no evidence that watts
- of power are produced by a nuclear process at room temperature in the Pd/d
- system but I left open the question of whether there is an atomic
- (chemical not nuclear) energy storage mechanism responsible for transient
- heat bursts. Jed Rothwell would say (has said) that the amounts of heat
- are too much to be chemical, but that seems to me to be theory
- prejudice :-)
-
- (An additional comment: I would like to see better evidence that
- *systematic* errors have been carefully incorporated in the claims of
- watts/cc. In particle physics nowadays results are quoted with TWO separate
- errors; one statistical, one systematic. The latter you are stuck with
- unless your understanding of the apparatus or other details improves. The
- former gets better as the number of events increases e.g. to quote a case
- from the primitive CF literature,if the measured number of events in a bin
- increases from 2000 to 20,000, the error bars cannot remain unaltered.)
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- Steve Jones posts on fusion in the Earth and asks me to take note of a point
- he makes. Steve, it will be several days before I have time to digest your
- comments which I have so far only read here at my terminal (my NY resolution
- is to do CN-F only at weekends - and I am already violating it) but can
- you clarify which point? Is it in connection with the appendix in THTH
- ``Fusion does not give the Earth's Heat" or is this some new information
- about gas emissions that you are emphasising?
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