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- From: schiller@prl.philips.nl ()
- Subject: Philosophy before science ? (was : Semantics of Set Theory)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.163922.20749@prl.philips.nl>
- Originator: schiller@prl.philips.nl
- Sender: news@prl.philips.nl (USENET News System)
- Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:39:22 GMT
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- You write :
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- Philosophy is the context of science. Science (inc/math) cannot prove
- nor refute philosophy. Philosophy is the study of the basic facts of existence
- whereas science is the study of non-basic facts.
- ...
- Philosophy must not be made consistent with science. It is science
- which must be made consistent with philosophy. Science always contains an
- implicit philosophy which must be judged without any reference to science.
- ...
- Apart from the intellectual fraud, philosophy causes science.
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- These statements are provoking and therefore interesting, but sadly they are
- mostly wrong.
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- - Philosophy is not the cause of science. The cause and origin of science is
- curiosity.
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- - Science *is* the study of basic facts, in contrast to what you assume. For
- example, physics studies time, space, matter, interactions, motion, change. All
- of these are basic facts. Theoretical physics is trying hard to find more basic
- ones, at the moment, and perhaps we can tell you more in a few years.
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- - Science can very well prove or refute philosophical ideas. It has done so many
- times. Creation of life, supernatural forces in daily life, infinity of the
- universe, and many more are philosophical ideas that have been shown false by
- careful observation.
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- - Natural science does not contain implicit philosophy (whatever that means).
- And surely it is not to be judged by philosophy. Science is to be judged
- by facts, not by philosophy. (The middle age is over, happily.)
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- - You should define in more precise terms what you mean by philosophy. From your
- use of the word (as in " an implicit philosophy " ), you seem to use the term
- as another word for "beliefs". But to provoke you a little more, there are no
- beliefs in science (at least not in natural sciences). No belief is needed to be
- curious about the world around.
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- Cheers
- Christoph
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- Christoph Schiller
- Philips Research Laboratories It has been proven scientifically
- Eindhoven, The Netherlands that male rats are more attracted
- schiller@prl.philips.nl to female rats than to tennis balls.
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